Gearjonser: Question about the Antiquity Surfers!

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When you installed your Ant II Surfer neck and middle and your Ant I Texas Hot Custom bridge pickup, did you run into phase problems?

I did!

I wanted a neck and middle set of Surfers that I could compare to my neck and middle Fralin Vintage Hots (3% underwound to just under 6K) and Steel Pole 43 bridge...for the Ultimate Stratocaster Tone thread I'm in the middle of.

So I went through my inventory and found a neck Surfer that was 6K and a middle Surfer that was 6.47K and a Texas Hot Custom bridge that was just over 10K.

(Amazing range of DC resistance with the Surfers: anywhere from 6K to 6.5K! That's alot of difference, IMO, but it's nice to able to fine tune a set like that too.)

But I suspected something might be amiss, so checked the polarity and found that the Texas Hot Custom bridge was not reverse polarity with the middle Surfer pickup...which, for humcancelling, it should be!

Seems like there are differeces between the Texas Hots and Surfers other than the magnet type! Seems that the polarity is reversed between the two types of pickups for one thing.

I wound up installing the middle Surfer in the neck position and the neck surfer in the middle position. Now I had a reverse polarity middle pickup.

But when I strung it up, I found that the Texas Hot bridge was out of phase with the two Surfers! So I had to reverse the black and white wires of the bridge pickup: black to hot and white to ground.

Wasn't a big deal...for some reason I suspected that was going to be the case so I didn't cut the wires to length for the bridge pickup until I knew I had it right.

Now it works perfectly...but my question is: did you have to do the same thing?

If you didn't, I wonder if you don't actually have a full set of Surfers in your Strat????

Anyways, I didn't end up the combo I really wanted: 6K neck and 6.47K middle...they're reversed! I guess I need to find a 6K middle I can use as a neck pickup...shouldn't be hard.

Lew
 
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Something else I wanted to mention: I'm not sure what year of Fender Strat pickup the Surfers are supposed to represent, but the original pickups in my '63 are BLACK not gray.

The Surfers are gray.

Lew
 
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Funny you mentioned that. I'm much less knowledgable about phase issues than you are, but I noticed that it was out of phase as soon as I installed it. Then, I flipped the leads, and much to my surprise, it was corrected and also DIDN'T introduce hum to my 2nd position. I thought by flipping the leads, I'd also lose that humfree notch position. Sounds totally fine! I am wondering if my ears are not liking the Ant I Custom. It sounds good, but not great to me. I absolutely LOVE the Surfer neck and middle, and the 4 pos is incredible. I think I want to get a an Ant II Alnico 5 Custom bridge. My ears don't like A-2 normally, except for the CC and Seth.
The Ant I is A-2 and the Ant II is A-5, right? I need the A-5.
 
Re: Gearjonser: Question about the Antiquity Surfers!

Oh yeah, and for the last few weeks I've been playing my favorite sunburst Am Std with the new Surfers, plugged into the Matchless Chieftain. It's without a doubt, the best strat tone I've ever heard.
 
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Gearjoneser said:
Oh yeah, and for the last few weeks I've been playing my favorite sunburst Am Std with the new Surfers, plugged into the Matchless Chieftain. It's without a doubt, the best strat tone I've ever heard.


:smack: Great!!! :smack: Yous guys are gonna make me buy those damn Surfers, aren't you?
 
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I have one Strat with Ant I Custom Bridge and texas hot neck. I just bought for a different Strat the Ant II Custom surfer Bridge and Ant II surfer neck and mid (rw/rp). I originally thought the Ant I Texas Hots were great, but now that I have tried the Surfers I am amazed and I am probably going to change out my Texas Hot Set for ANt II Surfers.


The Ant II Surfers are very alive and dynamic and very touch sensitive and articulate. They are brighter as well.
 
Re: Gearjonser: Question about the Antiquity Surfers!

lew, since you are mentioning about the ants, from one of your post, you said you use a fralin blender pot to blend either the bridge/neck to neck/bridge depending on the switch position.

normally, you would want the middle pup to be rw/rp so that position 2 and 4 will be hum cancelling. if the bridge and neck pup is of the same phase, blending them together will not cancel any hum right?
 
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I think my favorite thing is having two strats, one with Surfers, and one with Fender CS Fat 50's. Totally different strat vibes. The Surfers are that beautiful full and glassy sound, and the Fat 50's reek of that Texas tone, which is alnico 5, but still reacts nicely with OD and lead tones. I think I'm going to replace the Ant I Custom bridge with the Ant II (A-5) Custom, and definitely leave my 6.1 neck and 6.4 middle in there. The notch pos. sounds on the Surfers are never tinny and small...they almost sound richer and bigger than the single selections.
 
Re: Gearjonser: Question about the Antiquity Surfers!

Interesting: we were wondering what was the diff between the Ant I Texas Hots and Ant II Surfers besides just the magnet type. Turns out they're reverse polarity and reverse phase compared to each other. (Reverse wound too? )

I've been comparing my two Strats with the Ant Surfers but with differant bridge pickups. One with an Ant II Surfer Custom bridge pickup and the other with the Ant I Texas Hot Custom bridge pickup.

I like them both! Haven't really decided if I have a preference for one or the other but they are differant.

The Texas Hot Custom bridge is pluckier, quackier and less glassy than the other. But the middle/bridge combined tones sound fine. Differant...but fine.

Lew
 
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i know the surfers are different polarity than most of the duncan single coils i have, when i wired them up i had to swap wires to get them in phase
 
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jeremy said:
i know the surfers are different polarity than most of the duncan single coils i have, when i wired them up i had to swap wires to get them in phase

Right. But it's not just differant magnetic polarity...they appear to be out of phase and also reverse wound too.

Lew
 
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