GFS is a bust

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I bought a GFS pickup recently, a "Lil Puncher" Tele lead rails humbucker job.
Sometimes for the price you can't complain but really this thing is pretty bad to these ears.
First of all, the pickup comes with the wires prepped as in red and white soldered together and the ground and shield braided together and soldered, then they cut it to have just enough wire to install it. Well they screwed that up and I had to switch hot and ground and that sucks when you have to remove an inch of shielding wrapped around one of em.

So when I got it wired in right, using 500k pots which they recommend, It was a terribly thin sounding pickup. Very clean good dynamics but with that it seriously lacked character. It distorted smoothly like a humbucker should but it sure didnt sound like a Tele.

The worst part by far though is the middle position sound. with the stock rhythm pickup, it was like the volume was cut in half and the sound got even thinner. Like no bass! It was NOT a useable config. and trust my I tried switching the wires but it got worse when i did that so I switched em back. Screwdriver test revealed that it splits the coils on the lead pickup and so I guess that's a big part of it.

So, i didn't think I'd ever put a stock pickup back into a guitar but I did and YAYYY I'm so glad I did.

Thank you Squier, for proving to me that single coil Alnico tone is where it's at.

I'm sure GFS makes good pickups, but now I may never find out for sure cuz I'm sticking with SD, Fender, and to a much much lesser extent, Dimarzio.

So, who else has had a similar experience?

Also, does anyone think the middle position with the Lil Puncher would've sounded more typical if it was paired with the matching neck rails? or is that like "one low-output rail + another low-output rail in parallel = :earl:"

I'm really happy with Squier, i still think their pickups are sub-par but at least they're not ceramic like the MIM fenders.
 
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The closer you stay to vintage spec Duncans, the more likely you are to end up with great tone.

You don't actually save money by trying to save money...you spend more over time.

Buy pickups like Antiquities, Jerry Donahue, 59's, Jazz's, PG's, C-5, Seths etc, and your money will never be wasted.
 
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Yeah I hear ya...luckily I'm only out 30$!

So far going the "budget" route hasn't screwed me (except for with GFS). 2 Indonesian squier teles, and an Oscar Schmidt (Washburn) 335 copy have served me very well! My brand spankin new MIM Strat with the 57/62's...I saved like 400 over the american, and to me I'm getting better tone.

But the big difference in making that strat worth it was definitely in the 130$ pickups. Same with dropping the CC in the other Tele.

I do like the soldering iron I got from guitarfetish though! Can't live without one. I used to have to drive 15 miles to use my father's OLD iron.
 
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i have a set of the cool vintage lil puncher rails in my tele and i love them dude. the neck does not sound like a tele, it has one of the fatest bluesy tones ive ever heard in a tele when its in bucker form and when its wired parallel it sounds more like a strat neck than enything else.

the bridge counterpart that came with it was all twang, which actually disappointed me because i bought these to get away from the traditional tele sound, lol. even though it was a calibrated set i found it pretty hard to balance the two of them in the middle position.

but i live on the neck pup so im loving this thing to be quite honest. i also have a set of their mini-buckers which are decent but nothing that will blow your mind.
 
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I bought a GFS pickup recently, a "Lil Puncher" Tele lead rails humbucker job. Sometimes for the price you can't complain but really this thing is pretty bad to these ears.So when I got it wired in right, using 500k pots which they recommend, It was a terribly thin sounding pickup. Very clean good dynamics but with that it seriously lacked character. It distorted smoothly like a humbucker should but it sure didnt sound like a Tele. The worst part by far though is the middle position sound. with the stock rhythm pickup, it was like the volume was cut in half and the sound got even thinner. Like no bass! It was NOT a useable config. and trust my I tried switching the wires but it got worse when i did that so I switched em back. Screwdriver test revealed that it splits the coils on the lead pickup and so I guess that's a big part of it. So, i didn't think I'd ever put a stock pickup back into a guitar but I did and YAYYY I'm so glad I did. I'm really happy with Squier, i still think their pickups are sub-par but at least they're not ceramic like the MIM fenders.

Where are GFS made? If its in Asia, they will sound lousy, like all the other Asians including Duncan Designed. Replacing Asian with Asian isn't an upgrade; its exchanging one substandard sound for another. Use American-made PU's if you're serious about tone quality. You'll be so glad you did. You can buy a used SD online for the cost of a new Asian PU.

And what's with Fender using ceramics on their MIM's? That's pitiful.
 
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Where are GFS made? If its in Asia, they will sound lousy, like all the other Asians including Duncan Designed. Replacing Asian with Asian isn't an upgrade; its exchanging one substandard sound for another. Use American-made PU's if you're serious about tone quality. You'll be so glad you did. You can buy a used SD online for the cost of a new Asian PU.

And what's with Fender using ceramics on their MIM's? That's pitiful.

I'm not convinced that where they're made is an issue. Jay has his pickups built in Korea.

I've actually liked some of his single coil "Repro" Tele pickups. But I've heard better. His humbuckers don't really cut the mustard.

I used several of his parts to finish projects on a tight budget, but there ended up being too many QC issues, and even the GFS pickups I was happiest with need upgrading. It ends up being one of those deals where it costs you more money to try to save money.

Pete
 
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Not everything made in Asia is junk, I've found most of the recent Korean guitars I've played to be terrific. There's a pup company called Tesla which I believe is out of Korea that makes some pretty cool looking stuff. However, on the whole U.S. stuff is better (especially today since everyone seems to be outsourcing the labor for their cheap\midrange stuff and only using American shops for high end\custom shop gear.)

When it comes to making upgrades, you're better off just spending the money and getting the (usually) better item. Even if you're happy with the sound of a cheaper pup, you'll always be left to wonder if an EMG, Duncan etc. would've been better.
 
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Before dismmising GFS altogether, it sounds like you have it wired wrong. You more than likely have wired it parallel, rather than series. As for the middle position that is out of phase parallel, rather than out of phase series.
 
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Ok, I'll take your word for that. A bunch of mis-info out there.

Loads of it.

On the bottom of my DiMarzios, they say "Made in USA" and the FAQ on their site even says their pickups are made in New York City.
 
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Not everything made in Asia is junk, I've found most of the recent Korean guitars I've played to be terrific.

The Korean/Chinese guitars are usually very good for the money, the biggest shortcoming being the PU's. All the ones that I've played have been muddy-sounding with poor clarity & definition. But I've only played certain models of Epiphone, Hamer, Samick, Washburn, & Jay Turser. There may be some good Asian-made PU's out there, there SHOULD BE, but I haven't found any yet.

I wish the Asian PU's were as good a quality as the rest of the guitar. When you can get a new Epi SG Std with a set neck, mahogany body, & Grovers for under $300, you can't complain. If you have to spend a few bucks for upgraded PU's, its still a bargain. I think a pair of SD's or DiMarzios will put an Epi awful close to a Gibson tone-wise, and being able to do that for 1/4th of the cost of a Gibson makes a lot of sense for most players.
 
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Loads of it.

On the bottom of my DiMarzios, they say "Made in USA" and the FAQ on their site even says their pickups are made in New York City.

Actually isn't Dimarzio located in Staten Island New York? If so that is a different borough of New York not included in Manhatten which is what people generally call New York City.
 
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Actually isn't Dimarzio located in Staten Island New York? If so that is a different borough of New York not included in Manhatten which is what people generally call New York City.

I dunno where exactly but their FAQ says they make all the pickups in their New York City factory.
 
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The Korean/Chinese guitars are usually very good for the money, the biggest shortcoming being the PU's. All the ones that I've played have been muddy-sounding with poor clarity & definition.

Actually I've had the exact same experience, which is why I re-pupped my Koreans with Duncans and EMG's.
 
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Actually isn't Dimarzio located in Staten Island New York? If so that is a different borough of New York not included in Manhatten which is what people generally call New York City.

They are on Staten Island. Technically though, Staten Island IS a part of NYC on maps, just like Brookyln, Queens & Manhatten.

If you're from the area, the boroughs are the boroughs... almost like seperate states or even countries lol. People don't leave their 'spot' unless they have a good reason to. But they all make up what's known as "New York City".

Staten Island though... there's just not much there besides Mandolin Brothers! Most people are in such denial about it that New Yorkers consider it to be a part of NJ... lol

I think it's all, or mostly man-made... Fresh Kills landfill. Big garbage dump.

Anyway... I bought a set of GFS Retrotrons about a year ago & they're "ok" I guess. I was expecting "more" of a Filtertron vibe then they offer but I'm also a pickup snot. Gotta get some TV Jones... They DO sound decent but just not what I was expecting.
 
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Before dismmising GFS altogether, it sounds like you have it wired wrong. You more than likely have wired it parallel, rather than series. As for the middle position that is out of phase parallel, rather than out of phase series.

I agree with this assesment, if you switched hot with ground, then the pickup won't have the correct phasing with the other pickup you have installed. It will sound small and thin. Double check the wiring scheme, call the mfg if you have to. Also I can't imagine having both the red and white wire soldered together, are you sure that one of the wires isn't a coil tap?
 
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GFS' diagrams aren't the best. I followed one of their diagrams for the Bigmouth humbucker and I was getting a lot of hum. It ends up I had it coil tapped accidentally, according to the diagram for 3 conductor wiring it was correct!
 
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