Gibson hardcase: Detrimental to guitar

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it seems that Gibson's hardcase is responsible for the deteriorating condition of my Les Paul- i keep my LP in its case placed up right. it seems that some the guitar's protrusions (tune-o-matic bridge/ strap buttons/ etc) are digging into the fur lining & caused glue to leak out. this has 'burnt' the finish of my LP & tarnished strings, frets & pickup covers. are there any other members here who has noticed this problem or did i get a bad hard case?

what are some alternative hard cases (thinking SKB) that one can invest in? thanks in advance...
 
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I can't say as I've ever heard of that happening. Sorry to hear about that man.:(
 
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The only bad thing about Gibson cases is that pink lining in them. Why the hell does Gibson use pink????
 
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ouch that sucks..

it hasnt' happened to mine..but its been only just over 4 months..

mine's the polar bear white one..-_-;;

i mostly keep it on a hamilton stand outside..
 
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I could have sworn I heard about this happening a year or so ago. Heck if I can cite a source, but it was an issue with the Gibson cases specifically and the materials used.

I own two SKB hardshell cases and really like them. While I tend to prefer the rectangular shape I have to admit that the quality of the case and build makes up for it. If I had to buy another one it'd liekly be another SKB.
 
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I was going to say, are you sure it was the case causing that? But then I remembered that someone on TGP was complaining about a Gibson guitar case all of a sudden starting to stink. Someone else said that it was because of hide glue that they supposedly use. I'm not sure why anyone would use hide glue in a case.

Could hide glue be bad for lacquer finish?

Gibson has to be about the only company that'd use something like that in their cases. I appreciate their using lacquer finish on their guitars, but I don't understand hide glue in cases.

Pete
 
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I'm having a similar issue with my '01 Dean, Hardtail. I'm not sure what the case is doing, but it's trashed the hardware on the guitar. It's now tarnished to the point, that I can't revive it by polishing it. The guitars finish hasn't been affected.

Sprinter
 
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theodie said:
Why the hell does Gibson use pink????
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Because back in the day (before the '60s when black tolex was implemented with yellowish-gold, or orange lined interiors) they (The famed coloured Gibson cases) were referred to, and aptly named, as the "California Girl" cases. Tan on the outside, & pink on the inside. Truth be known.

Anyways it's just a colour, get over it dudes. Those cases look better than 3/4 of the god awful guitar & pickup colour options from the mid to late '80s. :earl:

:bling:
 
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Pete Galati said:
I was going to say, are you sure it was the case causing that? But then I remembered that someone on TGP was complaining about a Gibson guitar case all of a sudden starting to stink. Someone else said that it was because of hide glue that they supposedly use. I'm not sure why anyone would use hide glue in a case.

Could hide glue be bad for lacquer finish?

Gibson has to be about the only company that'd use something like that in their cases. I appreciate their using lacquer finish on their guitars, but I don't understand hide glue in cases.

Pete
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Gibson haven't used hide glue since the 1960's, and they'd never use it in a case anyway as it's really labour intensive compared to other types of glue. It wouldn't seep out of anything unless really hot steam was applied to it, and I can't see it even then damaging a finish.
 
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The explanation I have heard is that the plastic used for the knobs releases a gas that has butyric acid in it---it stinks, smells a little like vomit, and messes up metal plating and finishes. It affects the metal first, and then the finish around it. Seems liked it's more common on some 70s-80s models. A fix might be some new knobs...
 
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ES350 said:
The explanation I have heard is that the plastic used for the knobs releases a gas that has butyric acid in it---it stinks, smells a little like vomit, and messes up metal plating and finishes. It affects the metal first, and then the finish around it. Seems liked it's more common on some 70s-80s models. A fix might be some new knobs...
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Indeed! Goes all the way back to the 50's too...

The plastic used on some older guitars will deterorite with age... tuning machine buttons, knobs, pickguards etc. If the guitar is kept in open air you generally don't see or get much damage, but left in the case it'll start to eat the finish & metal because the fumes can't escape into open air...

If you've ever been through the rock & roll hall of fame in Cleveland, there's A LOT of examples there. Guitars in cases with mucked up pickup covers & the like, where it's just melting away like the Wicked Witch...

There's a good read on it in Dan Erlwines book too... think he was recommending some kind of super glue fix (isn't he always!) to the damaged parts, but to remove & replace them... keep the old ones around if there's any "collector" value.

You might wanna track that down.
 
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shredaholic said:
Gibson haven't used hide glue since the 1960's, and they'd never use it in a case anyway as it's really labour intensive compared to other types of glue. It wouldn't seep out of anything unless really hot steam was applied to it, and I can't see it even then damaging a finish.
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Actually Gibson began using Hide Glue on their Historic's a couple of years ago, as has Martin Guitars (ie: the 'Authentic D-18'). But you are probably right about not using it on cases, etc... Plus I believe TKL, makes most of Gibson's cases, and its doubtful that they would use Hide Glue at all. Good points though.

As far as the case issue that you think you're having. Gibson does sell those Case "Sheets" separately. Grab one of those and see if the separation of the guitar and case lining fixes your problem. Or simply cut out the shape of the case from a mattress cover, or something without dyes that is also 100% cotton. That could work just as easy. If it's the chemicals reacting from the knobs, as has been stated, I suppose you'll find that out too. I can't imagine that an SKB case would be any more protective than the TKL. Depends how you knock your guitars around.
 
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i'm currently doing just that, had my wife cut me out the base lining for the case. btw, my case is the canadian version; wonder if this has more issues than its previous manifestations...
 
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