Gibson's problem child, the "Double Cut"

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.... for a great double-cut LP one really just needs to bypass Gibson altogether and look to the Ibanez Artist series.

Now you're talking! I've owned several of them through the years, and worked on bunches of them. Absolutely kickass stuff from Ibanez - and a classic workhorse of a guitar line. They made budget models to high dollar showpieces, and none of them I've ever laid hands on disappointed. I always wanted a pearl white one like the guy in ABBA played.
 
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I'm really interested in this, but the posts are too lengthy for me to read right now. I'll have to wait til I have a half day with nothing better to do.
 
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Agreeing with BriGuy that the LP double cut was done right in the Ibanez Artist or years gone by. I'm lucky enough to have an 80' and an 82' Artist. The current Artists are not the same instruments though, I'd keep pretty far away from anything Ibanez made outside of Japan based on my experience. If you can find an early Artist grab it... although it won't be either on mine as I'll be holding on to them. Side by side with the same pickups and the same nut the 82' is so much more balanced and warm than even my 93' Gibson Les Paul Standard from the "Good Wood" period.
 
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The Les Paul Standard is an icon, and while their are a few variations the basic guitar shape and layout is pretty standard. Perhaps as you'd expect for something called the Standard. Two volume knobs, two tone knobs, a toggle on the top, a Tune-o-Matic bridge. And most of the variations vary on pretty small things, the biding, the fret board inlays, sometimes the wood the top is made out of. When you say "Les Paul" we all have a picture of that "ur" Les Paul, and it's even used as the logo for the Hardrock Cafe.

But, when you get to the Juniors all standardization pretty much goes out the window, and it collapses entirely with the Double Cut models. Even the name is confusing, as both the single cut and double cut models are referred to as the Les Paul Junior. The "double cut" moniker was not applied by Gibson until relatively recently, perhaps around 2000? In certain years the Junior was an SG shape, but with a single pickup. More confusion around the name.

For a while in the early 2000s, perhaps in response to Paul Reed Smith guitars Gibson tried to meld the fancy maple tops of the Les Paul Standard with body of the Double Cut Jr. It was not a happy marriage, and all such guitars disappeared from the catalog a long time ago. For the last few years the DC totally disappeared out of the Gibson catalog, except of the Billy Armstrong Signature model.

Gibson has issued the guitar with P-90s, a noise cancelling version of the P-90, the P-100 and mini-humbuckers. They come with one or two pickups, the single bridge pickup being true to the original design, the dual pickup version came out a couple years later. There at least 4 or 5 different pickguard shapes to accommodate all the different pickup and control layouts that the Junior DC has seen.

This years 2019 model has the single pickup, but a new weird pickguard and the input jack location has moved from the side (like on almost all other LP's) to the top (like on a Gibson L6-S). Maybe this is to bring costs down, but it's fugly. The damn thing is in the way there, too.

Like the Flying V, Gibson has never been able to decide how many knobs it really needs. The single pickup models seem to have two pretty consistently, but the two pickup models have come with 2, 3, and 4 knobs in various layouts over the years, three in a row, three in a triangle shape.

Bridges seem to alternate back and forth between Tune-0-Matic style and the older one piece, the latter being the one that belongs on the guitar, pretty obviously. But they resist proper intonation.

Regardless of year the colors offered tend to be restricted to heritage cherry, TV yellow and black.

This year the only other LP Junior DC's, besides the fugly budget model, are Custom Shop versions that claim to reproduce the authentic originals. The "1958 Les Paul Junior Double Cut Reissue" is $3,800. The 1960 Reissue has two pickups, and is also $3800. Either can be had in a in TV Yellow or Cherry Red, naturally. I guess maybe they might sell one of these, I don't know. Personally if I was every going to spend almost $4,000 on a new guitar from Gibson I'd be a lot more likely to want something with fancy fret markers, nice bindings, or a killer tiger-stripe maple top. The Custom Shop Flying V is completely over-the-top in terms of gold hardware and stuff, but at least you can see what your $4,000 is buying.

Not that Gibson cares, but my advice to them would be to stick to the layout they have on the reissues, which one assumes is how Les Paul designed them, and really hasn't been improved with the last 20 years of endless variations. They should be inexpensive, but not obviously cheapened. Some great players have used and loved the Junior DC, and it needs to be treated better by Gibson, hopefully the new management will get it together with regards to this classic guitar.

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The 1958 single pickup. Cherry Red.

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The 1960 dual pickup. TV Yellow.

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This year's model: Les Paul Junior Tribute DC 2019 in "Alternate Finish" worn ebony.

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Year unknown. The "Single Cut"? With factory Tune-O-Matic

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Someone had to. Looks fun!

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A year 2000 Junior "Lite" .. P100's and trapezoid fret markers.

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Keith.

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the late Johnny Thunders of the New York Dolls

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Joan Jett

Never mind the rest of it... what's that swapped bridge bucker in Joan Jett's guitar?
 
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A double cut junior is one of my favorite Gibson guitars, I don't see them as a problem child at all. I ended up with a modded 65 melody maker for a similar feel at a much lower price.
 
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Cool, a thread about my one Gibson.

Here's my 2011 DC Jr. These were a factory special run for American Musical Supply. I ended up changing the bridge for an intonatable wraparound from Pigtail. I also swapped out the tuning machines for Dunlop locking heads. And to make this thing able to stay in tune for more than a single song I had to replace the nut with one that was properly cut.

It also originally had a black plastic pickguard on it but I found someone online who made me one out of the actual period correct nitrocellulose tort material that was on the originals in the 50's. Plus I swapped the knobs for tele knobs per Keith Richards.
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Then again, why get a Gibson DC when you can get a Hamer Watson:

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Oh wait, you can't. :(
 
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Well, a PRS is sort of the refined version of this. But they are not for everyone, either.
 
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Lynch plays the orig.Yuck models and Shreds ~ Not the pRS or Hamers <<< that was always good enough for Me
 
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Well, a PRS is sort of the refined version of this. But they are not for everyone, either.

And whilst you could probably get them to make one, they don't come with 27 frets either.
 
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And whilst you could probably get them to make one, they don't come with 27 frets either.

This is certainly true, although their neck pickups probably sound better. :)
 
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This is certainly true, although their neck pickups probably sound better. :)

If you are looking for a traditional neck tone it certainly will be. :) I know that you are all about that; for myself, I have found that I generally enjoy having them closer to the bridge, at least for rock tones.
 
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Even if it only looks half as good, there's a perfectly good reason for wanting one of these over the fancy schmancy one.

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I agree. I'm not a fan of over-decorated fancy guitars, and prefer the more basic variations, and this goes double for the Flying V.
The first time I saw the Flying V Custom I thought: Gawds. Who got liquored up at Gibson and thought up that one?
 
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A couple I've had in the last few years. These days I prefer humbuckers. The red is a studio, the black is a standard. The yellow was a ?, I actually forgot what it was called.



 
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