Good pups for Page wiring

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fourmations

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hi

newb here, hi all!

I have done a good bit of searching so sorry
if this is an old chestnut

I have a 98 m.i.k. epi goldtop LP
and wanted to try the jimmy wiring

what are good pup choices for the setup
I was going to go with the classic jazz/jb
but there are many options out there

I dont want to spend a fortune on the pups
so bareknuckles are out of reach,
seymours are at around the right price for me,
(actually got some nice GFS's recently
great for the price)

i have a few electrics, and play allsorts,
i want my LP to sound like an LP
(ballsy classic/vintage tones)

thanks

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Re: Good pups for Page wiring

I have used the JP wiring with a Jimmy Page set, a Distortion set, a 59 set and a Pearly Gates neck model with the Custom, CC and C-5 in my own guitars and my favorite hands down is the C-5 in the bridge and a Pearly Gates in the neck.

For nailing his tone a JP set is hard to beat but it's a Custom Shop order and probably out of your inferred budget. In that case the 59 set is closest to the JP set in output and tone. Just make sure to order a 4 conductor set so you can do the install.

The C-5/PGn combo is a walk away from JPs tone but it is still a killer set in a Les Paul with a bump in output in the bridge position and more warmth in the neck position. I still get killer JP lead tones by knocking the pickups out of phase and riding a wah.

If you are going to do the install yourself and run into trouble look me up. I have done quite a few and have helped members out with this quite a few times in the past. I am at the end of a string of PMs to get the JP wiring working right for another member so I'll need a new project soon to keep me occupied.

First help I'll offer, not all internet schematics of the JP wiring are the same and some don't work properly. Not all 3 way switches are the same which causes a problem as well. Let me know if you get hung up.
 
Re: Good pups for Page wiring

Hi Robert (and all)

thanks for the welcome and the feedback

I am not necessarily trying to nail JP's tone
I just like the idea of the wiring options
and am looking at it as a project to improve
my wiring and understanding of guitar electronics

I want new pups for the Lp anyway

having said that, i wouldnt mind JP's tone!
but would rather quite a versatile set
nice cleans and crunchs as well as full on rawk!

I have been told that you need a fairly beefy pup
for it to sound decent when tapped?

I want pups that also sound good "rolled off"
****, I think i want it all!



Regards

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Re: Good pups for Page wiring

Robert is great, he has some good advice and helped me out when I was doing my Epi. To specify about his tips, use the Gibson schematic (the other Series/Parallel portions are a little shaky) and you'll need a new, Gibson style 3 way (the one with 4 terminals).

I've got a Custom/59 set and I really like it. The 59 splits well in the neck to give a quasi Strat tone (I think I like the A5 mag split) but if you want the benefits of the Jazz over the 59, I bet it would work well too. The Custom is great, meaty hard rock full, and enough power split to stand on it's own. I can see Robert's C5 recommendation too, since it's the same wind, just a little less output and more scooped mids of the A5 mag instead of the Custom. Any of those combos would work great.

Robert, how does the PGn split compare to the 59? Have you ever split an APH-1?
 
Re: Good pups for Page wiring

I've done the Page system on a few LP's & 335's, and think the '59N/C5 is a great pair for it.
 
Re: Good pups for Page wiring

PFDarkside said:
Robert, how does the PGn split compare to the 59? Have you ever split an APH-1?
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The PGn is a bit warmer and rounder sounding than the 59n and that translates to the split as well. I really like alnico II magnets in the neck position in Les Pauls.

Now that I have a band together you need to stop by and hear a PGn up close and personal.....
 
Re: Good pups for Page wiring

When's your next gig? Are you using the Mesa wall of doom or the Marshall in your pic?
 
Re: Good pups for Page wiring

We probably wont be ready to book until the first of the year but I'm looking for a slot on dec 31.

I have actually been playing a lot on my Crate v32, front ended with a TS9 and an early 80s Rat, with a G Major and an IntelliPitch in the loop. I am really in to the tone of EL84s lately and I may just go with a Mesa 20/20 in the future.

Its monday and thursday nights over at Chez Roberts, let me know if you want a free pass to some serious ear ringing.........
 
Re: Good pups for Page wiring

hi all

i have finally tried my page wiring and it was a disaster
6 hours later and i have buzzes in every position
even with the volume rolled off

whats the best diagram, i used the the one on the site here
(not the version on the vault, the one in the wriring section)

is the vault one better

http://https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?t=73043

one thing that is bugging me is the way the diagrams on the site
show the push pulls, i might have done the wrirng to the wrong side
of the switch pins

thanks

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Re: Good pups for Page wiring

Anyone know if you can Do this with just 3 push pulls? I have an explorer and I am trying to get a good diagram to do this with 2 vol and 1 tone... couldn't I just have one of the volume pots be a coil splitter for both? Any input or tips would be super appreciated! I may just take it to my tech and have him look at it.
 
Re: Good pups for Page wiring

sorry guys

another query...

my page attempt is on a MIK Epi LP

it has two groups of wires coming off the switch
the first (grey) wire goes from ground to both points of the jack
(thats the only connection to or from the jack)

the other goes from the switch (switchcraft style) to the volume pots
and a ground to the bridge volume pot

to save some effort and time i was leaving
those wires in place on my attempt
any reason not to?

on the one in the vault
is has these going to tone pot!

i am only learning the logic of wiring (slowly!)
i was doing my project in a "monkey see, monkey do" way
hoping to just copy exactly what i saw

has anyone done the version in the vault?

rgds

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Re: Good pups for Page wiring

fourmations said:
it has two groups of wires coming off the switch
the first (grey) wire goes from ground to both points of the jack
(thats the only connection to or from the jack)
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some kind of coax wire... likely an insulated wire wrapped in a stranded wire all in an insulated assembly. It looks like a single wire, but there's gotta be two... if you connect both terminals on a jack to ground you won't have any output. To make the JP scheme work you'll have to unsolder this wire at the switch and remove the solder that connects the two inside terminals. Just look and you should see what I mean.

the other goes from the switch (switchcraft style) to the volume pots
and a ground to the bridge volume pot

to save some effort and time i was leaving
those wires in place on my attempt
any reason not to?
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Even though it seems like a ton of work already, I'd be far more inclined to replace all the wiring. Rather than compare your wiring to the JP wiring and decide what wires you can keep, IMO it's far easier to just replace it all when you've got such a complicated scheme.

on the one in the vault
is has these going to tone pot!
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It's not going to the tone pot so much as it's connected to the DPDT on the tone pot. The DPDT portion of the pot is completely separate from the pot. They only interact if you connect them with a wire.

i am only learning the logic of wiring (slowly!)
i was doing my project in a "monkey see, monkey do" way
hoping to just copy exactly what i saw

has anyone done the version in the vault?
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No, but I'm contemplating shaving the deck of my SG enough to fit a push/pull under the cavity cover. I kind of want to try this to see what the big deal is. The great thing about the diagram in the vault is that it is very easy to follow for someone who doesn't understand schematic drawings. Kudos to Artie for drawing it up so pretty.
 
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