Greenbacks discussion
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Lake Placid Blues
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Re: Greenbacks discussion
It all depends if your talking open backed or closed back. It's a totally different speaker in different cabs.
In a closed back cab, particularly a Marshall 4x12, they stay tight, with a nice bass. They have more crunch than the Vintage 30 , and they also cut through when you step on a boost.
I think the GB works nicely for crunchy power chord rock-n-roll, with an additional strong lead voice for solos. They work nicely with cranked 50 watt Master Volume amps, such as the Marshall 2204 in a 4x12, for like Bad Company. When I envision the GB voicing I think Bad Company. If your looking for that late 60's full stack plexi vibe, they also work great under a 1959 in two cabs. Other speakers don't get that real cranked plexi vibe as well.
I don't really like the GB as well as other speakers in Blues Breaker combos. They are nice and warm, but can also be a bit inarticulate at high volume in that type of application. A BB really needs an alnico IMO. In a low power open back application, such as an 18 watt or something, they can give a woody old timey blues voicing, at studio levels.
It all depends if your talking open backed or closed back. It's a totally different speaker in different cabs.
In a closed back cab, particularly a Marshall 4x12, they stay tight, with a nice bass. They have more crunch than the Vintage 30 , and they also cut through when you step on a boost.
I think the GB works nicely for crunchy power chord rock-n-roll, with an additional strong lead voice for solos. They work nicely with cranked 50 watt Master Volume amps, such as the Marshall 2204 in a 4x12, for like Bad Company. When I envision the GB voicing I think Bad Company. If your looking for that late 60's full stack plexi vibe, they also work great under a 1959 in two cabs. Other speakers don't get that real cranked plexi vibe as well.
I don't really like the GB as well as other speakers in Blues Breaker combos. They are nice and warm, but can also be a bit inarticulate at high volume in that type of application. A BB really needs an alnico IMO. In a low power open back application, such as an 18 watt or something, they can give a woody old timey blues voicing, at studio levels.
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Define high gain. I use a Guv'nor into the front on my Marshalls and JMP's on 5 or so and they seem fine to me.
Low end has a lot to do with the cab. I have 2 green back loaded early 70's cabs. One thunders nicely in the low end and the other is much tighter/leaner in the bottom end
Vintage Marshalls baby!
Define high gain. I use a Guv'nor into the front on my Marshalls and JMP's on 5 or so and they seem fine to me.
Low end has a lot to do with the cab. I have 2 green back loaded early 70's cabs. One thunders nicely in the low end and the other is much tighter/leaner in the bottom end
Vintage Marshalls baby!
Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
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I love them in a 4x12 closed back, they handled those 1959 monsterheads, which has a huge lowend, they are not modern tight, the 25 watters are my fave, I also dig the old 30 watts they made later on, my alltime fave Celestion.
I have given them all a hard time with all kinds of stuff
They have always kept their game up in a closed back cab, open ones I always end up blowing them up bigtime!
I love them in a 4x12 closed back, they handled those 1959 monsterheads, which has a huge lowend, they are not modern tight, the 25 watters are my fave, I also dig the old 30 watts they made later on, my alltime fave Celestion.
I have given them all a hard time with all kinds of stuff
They have always kept their game up in a closed back cab, open ones I always end up blowing them up bigtime!
Stevo
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I like 25w greenbacks and g12h30 speakers in an x pattern, in a closed back cabinet. The g12h gives the cabinet a little more punch while keeping that great mid response with the greenbacks. That is definitely a good combo for classic Marshall tone.
I like 25w greenbacks and g12h30 speakers in an x pattern, in a closed back cabinet. The g12h gives the cabinet a little more punch while keeping that great mid response with the greenbacks. That is definitely a good combo for classic Marshall tone.
Gearjoneser
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I take it you're looking at that Bogner Greenback cab? :fingersx:
That guy will take $575 for it. You should get it. You'll never see a price like that again!
I take it you're looking at that Bogner Greenback cab? :fingersx:
That guy will take $575 for it. You should get it. You'll never see a price like that again!
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Actually Joe one guy is selling for 575, another is selling a G12M70 and green with Road Case.
then the question is, do I keep my Mojabve or sell it and go all bogner with the oversized 2x12?
I am still debating the Ecstasy, but I don't know. I brought in a great guitar player who has been playing with my own group London77, he loves the way we sound with me playing the Shiva and an LP. Considering how much singing I do, having a used Ecstasy might even be too much. I feel like you can pretty much get it all with the Shiva.
I feel the 4 G12H30s in my Marshall cab are a little too thick and ballsy without the cut of the V30s I am used to. Greens are too pretty, so I figured an X Pattern.
So Joe - Straight or Slant cab? the straight cab has a road case.
Actually Joe one guy is selling for 575, another is selling a G12M70 and green with Road Case.
then the question is, do I keep my Mojabve or sell it and go all bogner with the oversized 2x12?
I am still debating the Ecstasy, but I don't know. I brought in a great guitar player who has been playing with my own group London77, he loves the way we sound with me playing the Shiva and an LP. Considering how much singing I do, having a used Ecstasy might even be too much. I feel like you can pretty much get it all with the Shiva.
I feel the 4 G12H30s in my Marshall cab are a little too thick and ballsy without the cut of the V30s I am used to. Greens are too pretty, so I figured an X Pattern.
So Joe - Straight or Slant cab? the straight cab has a road case.
SoCalSteve
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That's good to hear! I just ordered a Greenback and a Hellatone 30 (Avatar's broke in G12H30) for my closed back 2x12. :fingersx:
That's good to hear! I just ordered a Greenback and a Hellatone 30 (Avatar's broke in G12H30) for my closed back 2x12. :fingersx:
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JumpMarine
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Gearjoneser
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I'd go for that mint cond. slant for $575. Roadcases suck for big cabs, because they make it huge and heavy. A tuki cover or even a $25 vinyl cover is better.....for your back.
I'd go for that mint cond. slant for $575. Roadcases suck for big cabs, because they make it huge and heavy. A tuki cover or even a $25 vinyl cover is better.....for your back.
shredaholic
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I chuffing love my G12M's - it's the perfect classic Marshall tone. Even a 5150 sounds half decent through a cab of G12M's, as the member VHoholic showed us in his soundclips.
I chuffing love my G12M's - it's the perfect classic Marshall tone. Even a 5150 sounds half decent through a cab of G12M's, as the member VHoholic showed us in his soundclips.
Gearjoneser
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Well, the large 2-12 is only about 8 inches shorter than the 4-12, and the 4-12 sounds a lot better to me. If I had that Greenback 4-12, I'd probably swap two speakers out for Vin 30's, and have a crisscross. I can't tell you how the Bogner compares to the Mojave, simply because they're both great cabs made about the same way. If you're using the Shiva, it might be better to have a matching setup. That's my opinion anyway.
Well, the large 2-12 is only about 8 inches shorter than the 4-12, and the 4-12 sounds a lot better to me. If I had that Greenback 4-12, I'd probably swap two speakers out for Vin 30's, and have a crisscross. I can't tell you how the Bogner compares to the Mojave, simply because they're both great cabs made about the same way. If you're using the Shiva, it might be better to have a matching setup. That's my opinion anyway.
SoCalSteve
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MattPete
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This is out of the blue, but I was thinking about buying an extension cab and mixing a Scumback M75 (G12M-25) with a Weber Blue Dog, and wiring it so that I could chose between either speaker individually or both in serial. Does that combo sound like a good idea or a bad mix?
This is out of the blue, but I was thinking about buying an extension cab and mixing a Scumback M75 (G12M-25) with a Weber Blue Dog, and wiring it so that I could chose between either speaker individually or both in serial. Does that combo sound like a good idea or a bad mix?
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hahha Joe, I finally decided you were right, I called about the slant cab and it sold the day before. The guy was like 7 weeks NO CALLS, and this week all the calls.
Then the cab on craig's went too! lol
All I can say is I had to sell my Mesas, I am still unser if I want 2 4x12 (Since I have my Mojave) and I do not know if I like all G12H30s. I think I like the V30 or Greenback mix. Greens are smooth but kinda flubby in the lows and lose it when cranked. medium volume they are my fave speaker.
hahha Joe, I finally decided you were right, I called about the slant cab and it sold the day before. The guy was like 7 weeks NO CALLS, and this week all the calls.
Then the cab on craig's went too! lol
All I can say is I had to sell my Mesas, I am still unser if I want 2 4x12 (Since I have my Mojave) and I do not know if I like all G12H30s. I think I like the V30 or Greenback mix. Greens are smooth but kinda flubby in the lows and lose it when cranked. medium volume they are my fave speaker.
SoCalSteve
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I found out my speakers are at the DHL facility less than a mile from my house but they wouldn't let me come and pick them up. Gotta wait 'til Tuesday. That really sucks!
I found out my speakers are at the DHL facility less than a mile from my house but they wouldn't let me come and pick them up. Gotta wait 'til Tuesday. That really sucks!
JumpMarine
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That sucks! I wasn't real happy with the service that I got from DHL the last time I ordered from Avatar. They wouldn't even deliver the speaker to my house. Ended up putting it on a UPS truck at their expense and it took a couple of days more to get it.
That sucks! I wasn't real happy with the service that I got from DHL the last time I ordered from Avatar. They wouldn't even deliver the speaker to my house. Ended up putting it on a UPS truck at their expense and it took a couple of days more to get it.
SoCalSteve
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I received and installed the GB and Hellatone 30 and am much happier with the tone. The Emi's seem too modern sounding and the Celestions are giving a much wanted 'classic' tone if that makes any sense. Just a better match with the amp. These are keepers. Thanks to Stevo and JumpMarine for making me aware of pairing these two together!
I received and installed the GB and Hellatone 30 and am much happier with the tone. The Emi's seem too modern sounding and the Celestions are giving a much wanted 'classic' tone if that makes any sense. Just a better match with the amp. These are keepers. Thanks to Stevo and JumpMarine for making me aware of pairing these two together!
