Guys: RECORDING HELP!!!!!!!!

Aceman

I am your doctor of love!
What is the dirt simplest and cheapest way to get a decent guitar sound into say Garage band on my Mac?

This needs to be so simple and easy even a blond could do it!

I'd like to record various tones, distorted, semi and clean for making backing tracks..

TAlk to me Guru's of the sound clip!
 
Re: Guys: RECORDING HELP!!!!!!!!

I'd get a Zoom H1. When you are done recording, you just take the card out and slide it in your computer and getting tracks off of it is just a drag and a drop. The Zoom H1 will allow you to use all of your existing gear and the stereo mid side microphones are really forgiving. You will have to sort of carefully set your audio levels but that is it... the audio level just goes up or down... a blonde should be able to figure it out. My Zoom H4 has three microphone models to choose from - MD421, U87 and SM57 along with a compressor or limiter (I think the H1 has those too). I'm pretty sure the H1 has an auto gain feature if you don't even want to set the levels.

I'm sure you have heard these, but if you haven't, I did them with my Zoom H4 as my only microphone.



 
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For today, right now, without leaving the house or shopping online, I'd say the biggest thing right off will be the interface. You need something that can run a signal into your computer.

If you have an amp with a Direct Out, or a pair of RCA jacks, or a headphone out*, you just need the right cabling to match up to your computer soundcard Input, if it has one.

*Note that when running out of a headphone jack, sometimes you run the risk of burning up the circuitry for that function, if not the whole amp.

Even with built-in sound on your motherboard, you should have a Line In. That's where you'd run your amp's Direct/Line/Recording Out. It should be a stereo 1/8" but mono will work.
However, the main issue you'll have here is latency, which may not be as tight as you'd like compared to an external/slot-mounted interface.

And you don't need the amp for the recorded tone, you just need it to get a loud enough level from your guitar to your computer, so you could run straight into the Return just fine.

You'll definitely want to get Amplitube, or the free vsts from AcmeBarGig, and have them running in your DAW.

That will get you started today, without spending money (assuming you have all the cables you need).
 
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If you were going to invest in an audio interface right now (wise move - way better than the built in card), then I wouldn't look too much further than the Focusrite Scarlett 2i2. You get 2 in, 2 out, 2 good quality mic pre-amps that can also handle a line level feed, 48v phantom power if required (maybe not today, but if you ever acquire a condenser mic, you'll be glad of this), and a headphone out with the ability to direct monitor what you're feeding into it.

Or go a little further with the Scarlett Studio, which comprises the 2i2, headphones, a condenser min, and Cubase LE. What's not to like?
 
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+1 to the little Focusrite Scarlet or the Scarlet Studio set up that Chris have already suggested. They sound awesome and work fine. You can feed guitar direct, guitar preamp or microphones, it's up to you. A couple of hours with it and you can master it.

For a DAW, Reaper is still one of the best bangs for the buck I think, in many aspects it outperforms ProTools and some others. If you cross the 2-months limit it still won't reduce itself in any way but it's such a nice swiss army tool that one can't resist buying it. I used one as a backup, to run the studio without hiccups when some bigger system failed then I realised that I started to use the backup much more often than I intended so finally it became my main production DAW. You can throw entire album projects in it, no probs.

http://www.reaper.fm/

Maybe for an iron wood & wires type of guy (as a guitarist I'm that, too) using some preamp cab sim out -> into the interface line in is the most straightforward way to record a decent guitar sound. A lot of stuff work, beginning with Line6 kidneys (UX and present stuff are also fine little audio interfaces), old H&K Access, ADA MP1 through some H&K redbox, a steal-priced used Marshall JMP1, a SansAmp Tri-ac or so. Even an ancient Korg G1 can bring good sound.

As for me, I'm an AMT guy, these little preamps sound killer when recorded direct. All these tones were set in 5 seconds then go.

(all are AMT M1 + P1 cab sim out)









Well not as if anything was against using a microphone before an amplifier :)

For a mic, I'd suggest a good old Shure SM57. There are classier, there are trickier, cleaner, warmer and meaner ones, but it's still a "1 shoot - 1 score" mic when it comes to guitar recording. It is brill for voc, bass (snares, toms, hihats, blow instruments...), too.
 
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NecroPolo:

That Electric Jesus.... gjdm. That's some really tasty **** right there. Just awesome. Really awesome.

Got to echo that comment - sounds massive

PS. Get them in the SDUGF group, if they're not there already - link to be found in my sig below...
 
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Guys - some of this is really complicated sounding.

Why can't I just run a line out from my cube via the emulated out, and a 1/4 to 1/8 adapter into the mic input on my Mac?
 
Re: Guys: RECORDING HELP!!!!!!!!

Guys - some of this is really complicated sounding.

Why can't I just run a line out from my cube via the emulated out, and a 1/4 to 1/8 adapter into the mic input on my Mac?

You can, but don't expect the latency to be great; built in cards are not designed with the recording musician in mind.
 
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You cannot run a powered ignal into the Mic input. It'll sound like butt. You want distortion, not massive clipping.

If you've got a Line Input (for external audio devices), then by all means use that. I think Line In is the light green on the newer color-coded systems? Double-check.

And yeah, latency will be an issue. You can try ASIO4ALL, which is a free latency manager, but I'm not sure if it's Mac-friendly.

You can use your PC speakers. You listen to pre-recorded music through them all the time, you're familiar with their tonal characteristics. So long as you mix your tracks to sound like pre-recorded songs through them, you should get reasonably similar results in your car stereo or iPhone.

But mixing/mastering is a whole-nother ball of wax. IMO it takes more effort to learn through monitors than PC speakers - you want more bass in the monitor mix, but you're blowing your PC speakers and car stereo drivers. It's all well and good to say "just use the spectrum and frequency analysis functions of your DAW and match the display of your mix to a pre-recorded track similar to yours", but you're headed for rocket surgery/brain science, which is more like werk.

For now, stick with what you know. You'll soon figure out how to tweak it in the re-mix when you put a CD in the car or phone.
 
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I just run my guitar cable into a USB recording interface to use with amp VST's in Reaper. I imagine its the exact same process with Garage Band
 
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Got to echo that comment - sounds massive

PS. Get them in the SDUGF group, if they're not there already - link to be found in my sig below...

Thanks for the feedback, I'm glad if you folks like it. Also THX for suggestion, linking now to SDUGF.
 
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