Hellatone Speaker Question

[JLagoon]

First, is it OK to run a 50 watt amp to a 2x12 cabinet that is loaded with 1x 30 watt and 1x 60 watt speakers? Does the 30 watt speaker work harder or something?

Also, has anyone tried Hellatone 60L? I was thinking to get Hellatone 60 and 30, but it is mentioned on the avatar website that the 60L has lower bass response. I wonder if it's a good match to get 2x Hellatone 60L or 1x 60L and 1x 60

I'll be using these speakers with a 7 string guitar.

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Thanks!

 

[JLagoon]

Re: Hellatone Speaker Question

Bump

 

[Lewguitar]

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First, is it OK to run a 50 watt amp to a 2x12 cabinet that is loaded with 1x 30 watt and 1x 60 watt speakers?
Thanks!

Should be fine. Each speaker will recieve about 25 watts each. Of course you can blow any speaker if you play distorted enough, loud enough and long enough.

But you should be OK unless you get really carried away.

Lew

 

[drew_half_empty]

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should be fine, but contrary to popular belief this is a 60 watt cab, not a 90

is the hellatone 30 like a g12h30? if so i gotta make another plug for the eminence wizard

if you matched one of those with a 60 watt speaker you'd have a 120 watt cab, which will probably sound better

not everyone but a lot of people have cabs that handle twice the wattage as what their heads put out, this is because tube amps actually go over their advertised wattage when cranked

 

[Curly]

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FYI, you probably know this, but the 60L is a 16 ohm only speaker.

 

[JLagoon]

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Thanks for the replies, guys. You're right, Curly; the 60L is 16 Ohm only. I need 8 Ohm.

The Hellatone 30 is G12H30, but aged by Avatar.

Why would the 120 watt combination speaker sound better? Based on my observation of your (plural) posts, people like the V30 and G12H30 combination, which is pretty much a Hellatone 30 and Hellatone 60.

So, if I want to put them in a 4x12, instead, I should be able to use 2x Hellatone 30 and 2x Hellatone 60. And I'll have a 180 watt cabinet, right?

Thanks!!!

 

[Curly]

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I believe Drew likes a lot of clean power, therefore, a lot of power handling.

Other players like power handling closer to the power of the amp - remember that in some vintage amps, the speakers were underpowered for the amp, but manufacturers won't do that today. It also depends on the amp, though, since some are more conservatively rated than others.

I think you'd be fine with a Hellatone 30 and 60 in 2 x 12.

I have two Hellatone 30s - one in a DRRI, another in a Mesa Blue Angel. I've been considering switching the one in the Blue Angel for the 60 watter though. Great tone, IMO.

 

[drew_half_empty]

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yes people like the v30 g12h30 combo

but wizards are basically 75 watt clones of g12h30's

so it's basically like getting the same speaker with more than double the wattage

IMO the 120 watt combo would sound better because you'd have no speaker distortion when you cranked the amp, only preamp/poweramp/pedal/whatever else distortion

and with the exception of some vintage fender amps, speaker distortion tends to sound pretty bad. Crank a stock hot rod deluxe & you'll see what i mean

 

[JLagoon]

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I want no speaker distortion either. One thing that I need is a speaker that can handle high volume and help me cut through the mix with mid and smooth treble. My power amp is VHT2502 (50 watt), the max volume setting that I have ever used is 3/4 turn.

I read on HC reviews that the Wizard sounds more like the Governor than the G12H30. I have no idea how the Governor by Eminence sound like.

Will I really get speaker distortion with the Hellatone 30? Is the Wizard more expensive?

So, Hellatone 60 + ...........

 

[JLagoon]

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Ooooo, I just read HC reviews for the Governor; quite impressive. I wonder if I should just get a pair of this speaker, instead of the Hellatone. Or maybe a pair of Wizard.

 

[drew_half_empty]

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wizards are much much closer to g12h30's than v30's. trust me

governor = v30
wizard = g12h30

you decide

oh, and eminences are cheaper than celestions, i dunno about hellatones but definately cheaper than celestions. Made in the USA too

 

[JLagoon]

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Some HC reviewers said that the Governor doesn't sound good when combined with other speakers. Is this true, Drew?

 

[drew_half_empty]

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i wouldn't take anything you read on harmony central all that seriously, unless the majority of the people agree on it.

as far as not mixing well - total bull****

i have a friend with a vintage 50 watt bassman & avatar cab, x pattern of wizards & governors, sounds ****in awesome, and it aint even all the way broken in yet

I have another friend that runs a plexi reissue with a new output transformer & an X of governors & swamp thangs in his Orange cab. Sounds ****in awesome. He made the transition after one of the stock celestion vintage 30's caught on fire. No he didn't set it on fire, it just burst into flames

xssive from here has a splawn cab with a mix of governors and manowars, and it reportedly makes his marshall 1960 cab look like a toy

 

[JLagoon]

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Well, it seems that Eminence Wizard mixed with Governor is the answer for me. Thanks man!

 

[drew_half_empty]

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no problem

i love that combo

I'm actually gonna downsize my rig & just go with a 4x12 with that combo. It can handle anything

well, doesn't give a top notch metal tone, but i never play metal & don't plan to, so i'm not worried

 

[AdmiralB]

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IMO the 120 watt combo would sound better because you'd have no speaker distortion when you cranked the amp

This is an invalid assumption. Power rating has next to nothing to do with the breakup point of the speaker. Vintage 30s are 60W-70W speakers, depending upon who's doing the rating, but they will break up with as little as 20W input.

Power rating is the amount of heat the voice coil can dissipate before it deforms. Breakup point is primarily determined by cone construction. You could build something like a Weber California or Michigan with a 10W VC - you'd melt it at 20W or so, but it would never break up.

The Emi Wizard is a good example; it's much like a G12H-30 and will have similar breakup characteristics, but it can handle twice the power before you kill it.

 

[greendy123]

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Also, has anyone tried Hellatone 60L? I was thinking to get Hellatone 60 and 30, but it is mentioned on the avatar website that the 60L has lower bass response. I wonder if it's a good match to get 2x Hellatone 60L or 1x 60L and 1x 60

I've also been wondering about this too. I need a new 16ohm speaker to replace my gt-75 in my cab. My cab currently has 2 gt-75's in it and I just replace the one speaker for now. I tried some vintage30 speakers speakers recently and I liked the tone of them through my amp. Do you guys think the lower bass responce would complement with bass coming from the gt-75 in the cab or should I just get the hellatone 60? The hellatone 60 is just a broken in vintage 30 correct?

 

[drew_half_empty]

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yes g12t75's and v30's are a common mix & compliment each other

 

[greendy123]

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Sorry I forgot to mention I was talking about putting in Hellatone 60L, not just a regular vintage 30.