[HELP] I need an HSS wiring diagram

[Shadow_Reaper]

Hello fellas, I am in the need of a wiring diagram for an HSS Stratocaster.

What I want to do is to have an HSS Strat with a 5-way switch, 1 volume pot and 2 tone pots.
Also I want it to auto-split the humbucker.

I came across this wiring scheme: http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=1h_2s_1v_2t_5w_as

The problem I'm having is this:
As you may know, there's the pot value issue in the HSS layout: The 250k pots are OK for single coils pickups but in order to make the humbucker sound OK, I need a 500k pot.

So, I know you can make the humbucker "see" a 500k pot and the single coils "see" a 250k pot.
This is achieved by putting a 500k resistor in parallel with a 500k volume pot, which then drops its value to half.

In this page a found a diagram and an explanation about how does this work:
https://guitarmodology.wordpress.co...cker-sees-500k-and-the-single-coils-see-250k/

the diagram:
https://guitarmodology.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/smart_lonestar.gif?w=565&h=568

The problem with this diagram is that it says something about coil tapping the humbucker, BUT I DON'T WANT THAT, what I want is to COIL SPLIT THE HUMBUCKER, auto split it to be precise.
Also It has a couple of resistors because the guitar the guy modded already had one, and I'm too noob in electronics to figure out how the conections would be without that extra resistor.

Here is where I need you:
I need a wiring diagram like this:
HSS with a 5 way super switch

A) When, AND ONLY WHEN, the switch is in the bridge position (position 1) the humbucker will see the 500k volume pot and will use the 2nd tone pot (a 500k pot just for the humbucker).
B) When in positions 2 to 5, the single coil pickups will see the volume pot as a 250k pot thanks to the 500k resistor AND will use the 1st tone pot (the 250k one).

Additionally the circuit has to auto-split the humbucker when in position 2.
The positions will work like this:

1 - bridge - 500k vol pot, 2nd tone pot (500k)
2 - middle + bridge (split HB) - 250k vol pot, 1st tone pot (250k)
3 - middle - 250k vol pot, 1st tone pot (250k)
4 - middle + neck - 250k vol pot, 1st tone pot (250k)
5 - neck - 250k vol pot, 1st tone pot (250k)

I hope I made myself clear and I expect you can post a diagram that fits this functions so I can start with the wiring!

Thanks in advance, Shadow_Reaper

 

[Wolfshead]

Re: [HELP] I need an HSS wiring diagram

I don't know about all that, but a 250K pot will work fine with certain humbuckers (the JB is apparently great with 250s).

What about a 500K volume for the bridge, with a 250K volume for the single coils and a 250k tone pot just wired to the singles? That'll work I think and you can play with resistor values too.

 

[cardinal]

Re: [HELP] I need an HSS wiring diagram

The diagram you posted does what you want. It says coil tap, but it really means coil split. And it uses two 500k resistors because that's what it takes to accomplish what you want.

 

[Shadow_Reaper]

Re: [HELP] I need an HSS wiring diagram

The diagram you posted does what you want. It says coil tap, but it really means coil split. And it uses two 500k resistors because that's what it takes to accomplish what you want.

Oh I see. I've been studying the circuit a little more, trying to understand it and yes, I realized it is the one I need.
I only have some more questions:
What is the vol kit thing soldered to the volume pot? Do I need it or can I skip it?
Also, the guy in the link I posted said that he used two resistors because, apparently, the guitar he was modding already included one or something like that. He explained that one of them went from 2nd to 4th position and the other one was there just for the 5th position. That's when he explains he did it that way because the guitar already came with one or something like that.
So... Are you really sure I need both? If no, How does the wiring change?

Thanks in advance.

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[Shadow_Reaper]

Re: [HELP] I need an HSS wiring diagram

Note: we use two 470K resistors, one for positions 2- 4 and another for position 5. The only reason this was done, was so as to integrate the mod into existing Lonestar wiring without changing any of the standard control function.

See what I mean?

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[Swyse]

Re: [HELP] I need an HSS wiring diagram

this is the volume mod, you can leave it out. It changes how the volume reacts. It leaves more treble as you turn down the volume, its a preference thing. If you google "Treble bleed mod" you can see several different variations of values for the parts used.

For the 470k resistors, I don't know how to wire that with everything you want with a single resistor, I'd spend the extra few cents and just get two. The lonestar wiring he keeps referencing is this http://www.guitar-mod.com/wiring/lonestar_strat.gif

 

[Shadow_Reaper]

Re: [HELP] I need an HSS wiring diagram

this is the volume mod, you can leave it out. It changes how the volume reacts. It leaves more treble as you turn down the volume, its a preference thing. If you google "Treble bleed mod" you can see several different variations of values for the parts used.

For the 470k resistors, I don't know how to wire that with everything you want with a single resistor, I'd spend the extra few cents and just get two. The lonestar wiring he keeps referencing is this http://www.guitar-mod.com/wiring/lonestar_strat.gif

Alright I understand now. I have no problem in using the two resitors. I just thought it was unnecesary and wanted to simplify the wiring. I'll investigate about the volume pot mod.
Thanks for answering!

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[Shadow_Reaper]

Re: [HELP] I need an HSS wiring diagram

I just have one more question:
Where should I solder the ground from the three pots, the resistor and the super switch?

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[cardinal]

Re: [HELP] I need an HSS wiring diagram

Ground goes to the sleeve of the output jack (the inner circle part).

 

[Shadow_Reaper]

Re: [HELP] I need an HSS wiring diagram

Ground goes to the sleeve of the output jack (the inner circle part).

I see, thanks! I looked at the Seymour Duncan diagram I posted and there's a wire soldered from the 2nd tone pot to the 1st tone pot and then to the volume pot. Then it is soldered to the jack sleeve. Should I solder the resistor ground and the jack ground to the volume pot as well?

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[cardinal]

Re: [HELP] I need an HSS wiring diagram

^ Yup.

 

[Shadow_Reaper]

Re: [HELP] I need an HSS wiring diagram

^ Yup.

OK thanks!

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[Johnny the Kid]

Re: [HELP] I need an HSS wiring diagram

What you could do is have stacked tone and volume pots for each pickup.

 

[Shadow_Reaper]

Re: [HELP] I need an HSS wiring diagram

Hey dudes I found this link:
http://www.acys-lounge.de/hss-schaltung.html

Where I found this diagram:
http://www.acys-lounge.de/tl_files/content/schematics/schalt_hss_strat_01.jpg

Does this diagram acomplish what I want to do?
I think it does. I just have to change the 2nd tone pot value to 500k and the position where it have been soldered so that it's used by the humbucker and that should be it.
So, apart from those little details, Does this diagram do what I want? Does it actually split the humbucker when in second position? Does it emulate a ~250k volume pot for positions 2 to 5?

Thanks in advance.

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[cardinal]

Re: [HELP] I need an HSS wiring diagram

^ that's a clever diagram but I don't see a way to get the neck and middle on a single 250k tone control and the bridge pickup on a separate 500k control. Just use the first diagram you posted.

 

[Shadow_Reaper]

Re: [HELP] I need an HSS wiring diagram

^ that's a clever diagram but I don't see a way to get the neck and middle on a single 250k tone control and the bridge pickup on a separate 500k control. Just use the first diagram you posted.

As far as i know, on the standard strat wiring, the 1st tone pot is used by the neck pickup and the 2nd by the middle pickup. So in this case I'd leave the middle pick alone and use the first tone pot for the neck and the 2nd for the bridge.
That said, Can this diagram be implemetend or not?
I have a couple of problems with the super switch:

A) If I can achieve the same functions with a simpler wiring, Then why bother with a more complex one?
B) This one is the real problem. I'm from Argentina, I haven't asked anywhere but I searched online and I couldn't find the super switch at sale locally. As I said, I still have to ask on a store but I fear that I might not find it (due to crappy imports restrictions).

I hope you understand me. If this wiring I posted does what I want then I think I'll go with it. But if in any way it does not do what I want, then I'll stick to the wiring a originally posted and I'll find a way to get the super switch.

Regards.

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[Swyse]

Re: [HELP] I need an HSS wiring diagram

If you give up having the middle or neck on a tone pot it will work for you.

You may want to run two different capacitors for the humbucker tone and single coil tone, like the first diagram you posted.

 

[Shadow_Reaper]

Re: [HELP] I need an HSS wiring diagram

If you give up having the middle or neck on a tone pot it will work for you.

You may want to run two different capacitors for the humbucker tone and single coil tone, like the first diagram you posted.

Yup, I might do that. Thanks!

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[Shadow_Reaper]

Re: [HELP] I need an HSS wiring diagram

Hey guys, here I am again.
Lately I've been thinking about having a manual split instead of an auto-split by using a push/pull pot.
The push/pull would be the second tone pot (I read that some people accidentally pushes it if it's the volume pot).

The thing is ¿Do I just move the two HB wires that go together from the superswitch to the dpdt in the push pull and ground them?

One more thing ¿Which do you recommend? ¿Switch down split HB and switch up full HB or viceversa?

 

[firebirdguy72]

Re: [HELP] I need an HSS wiring diagram

What you could do is have stacked tone and volume pots for each pickup.

This.

I'd go two volume two tone... sounds unrealistic but I think I could draw a diagram that would work. A single stacked 250/500k for the volume for the neck/middle and also the bucker. Than a 500k push pull for the tone for the humbucker so it splits than a single 250k tone for the neck and middle... all with a standard 5 way switch to boot.