Help me find my ideal wood combo.

KeeperOS

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For the past couple of years I have slowly but surely started to settle on what would consist of my "perfect guitar".

My current no.1, a Swing EZ-10 (aka Izzy) is pretty much it in terms of comfort and playability.
HH Mahogany neck & body Neckthru with 24 frets and a Floyd. She has an Ebony top and a Rosewood fretboard.
Unfortunately, her lack in higher mids and highs and thus, definition, keep me from loving her tone. She sounds great plugged in but that was after trying a bunch of pickups in her. Tone-wise, I feel I can do better.

My fave in terms of sound is my Michael Kelly Patriot Limited (a big part of it being that I hand picked her after A/B-ing about half a dozen of them).
HH Mahogany neck & body Set-neck with a real maple cap and Ebony fingerboard. This one has a TOM (my only hardtail).
She has what I consider to be the most balanced tone out of all of my guitars with still a decent amount of definition and attack. Best volume and sustain too. Still, she's lacking what I consider my ideal attack and definition.
Not enough growl either. Too polite which is great but not what's my ideal.

Finally, the guitar that DOES have the edge, the attack and the growl that I love is my Washburn MG-100.
Ash body, Maple neck, Bolt-On, Rosewood fingerboard. HSS with a surface-mount Wilky.
Unfortunately besides the general tone qualities that I like she's seriously lacking in low end as well as sustain when compared to the others.
She's also a little too big on the highs (if I were to believe John Suhr I would attribute that to her having a Rosewood fretboard instead of a maple one).


Spec-wise I know what I want:
General strat-shape with all the usual comfort contours, 24 frets, a surface-mount Floyd (i.e. no pullbacks) with NO locking nut, HH, a three-way, one volume, one tone, both push/pulls for splitting each pu.
I'm still uncertain about neck-joint but I know whatever it'll be it will have to have perfect upper-fret access, completely comparable to that of a neck-thru.
There's a bunch of other nit-pickings but those don't really interest anyone but me and the guy that'll build her.

Tone wise I want the round and balanced EQ (especially that low end) the Michael Kelly has but with the added edge and attack the Washburn has and I'm guessing the Ash body has tons to do with it.

I've narrowed the fingerboard wood down to either Maple or Ebony (depending on the rest of the combo). After that all I know is that I want both the tonal qualities of Mahogany and Ash thrown into the mix. I also surmise that Maple will probably have to play a role somewhere along the way be it as a neck wood or as a top.

So, I'm asking for the assistance of people with good experience in different species of wood and the way they interact with each other.
Is there anyone brave enough to take a crack at it?
 
Re: Help me find my ideal wood combo.

How bout this,

Basswood Body with a Maple top, 1 piece maple neck, HSS config, Tremolo system of your choice...

Oh wait, no that's my ideal choice... dangit... sorry... ;)

I don't know man sounds like you like the snappiness of the bolt-on 1 piece maple neck on your MG, maybe you should try matching that with a different body wood like Mahogany to help fill in some of the low-end?

-J
 
Re: Help me find my ideal wood combo.

If you want to stay somewhat in the Mahogany zone you might consider Limba for a body wood. Cap it with about 3/8" walnut. Bolt Maple neck/Maple board.

In all fairness, this is not the voice of experience! That just happens to be the combo I'm going to try on a hardtail P-90 Tele build.

Good luck with your's and keep us updated with your decisions and progress with pics!
 
Re: Help me find my ideal wood combo.

Interestingly enough those are both combos I considered at one point (well, except the walnut top since I've never tried it and don't know how it sounds like).

I do like the snappiness of a good bolt-on (even though my MG had a rosewood fretboard my Strat has a maple one) but it was the Ash body that lent to this attack and growl that I am after.

As for the build, it'll either be a USACG one or perhaps a custom build by someone like Carvin or (money permitting) Suhr or another luthier.

It won't be any time soon though since I want to be absolutely certain that I have gotten everything exactly right. I plan for this to be my last guitar for the foreseeable future. The guitar that will give me a reason to thin the heard...

It'll prolly be HH, with the push/pulls and the right pickup I can get tones that sound just like a Strat's notch pos while the split HB neck is my fave neck tone for cleans period.
As for the Floyd, I don't need a Floyd per se, (hence why it won't have a locking nut), I do want a big-block however to get some of the mass lost from the routing back plus I really dig having the fine tuners.
 
Re: Help me find my ideal wood combo.

How bout this,

Basswood Body with a Maple top, 1 piece maple neck, HSS config, Tremolo system of your choice...

Oh wait, no that's my ideal choice... dangit... sorry... ;)

I don't know man sounds like you like the snappiness of the bolt-on 1 piece maple neck on your MG, maybe you should try matching that with a different body wood like Mahogany to help fill in some of the low-end?

-J

Jordan, have you been on the Suhr site again??

BTW, it sounds like you're going to be on the road a bit. It's funny, I was just telling Bean last night that I miss playing in a group and today Shelley emailed me .........
 
Re: Help me find my ideal wood combo.

Interestingly enough those are both combos I considered at one point (well, except the walnut top since I've never tried it and don't know how it sounds like).

I really don't know what it sounds like either, but it's supposed to be similar to Maple, only not quite as bright. Who knows ... maybe Walnut over Ash might be a winner. Like you, I wish there was some way to know in advance.

I think many people are disappointed with unusual combinations they've tried.
 
Re: Help me find my ideal wood combo.

Aren't there any other takers?
Lacewood body with a thin maple or koa lam top so you don't have to deal with the problematic lacewood finish.
Maple neck with a rosewood fb.
If you go bolt-on use ss neck bolts instead of screws.

Lightweight(under 3lbs.) swamp ash body with a rosewood top and a rosewood set-neck & fb.

And finally, a rosewood neckthru with lightweigth swamp ash wings and an ebony fb.

MM
 
Re: Help me find my ideal wood combo.

Wow, talk about unconventional...

I'm thinking either bolt-on (the USACG/Suhr way) or a neck-thru (the custom builder way) so the mah body/ash wings actually makes sense.

But what about Lacewood, that's another wood I'm unfamiliar with, any info about it?
 
Re: Help me find my ideal wood combo.

You might be over-thinking this a bit. Give your description of the ideal tone you're looking for to a couple of different builders and see what they suggest. I wouldn't be totally surprised to hear recommendations of maple neck w/rosewood fingerboard paired with alder body and some sort of figured top.

What's at the other end of the cable?
 
Re: Help me find my ideal wood combo.

I'm a swamp ash convert. I think you will get more low end with SA by going to a maple neck (oiled), instead of the rosewood board on maple (going by Surh's theory). Don't go with ebony if you want a more down low and less top!

I have a swamp ash strat with an all rosewood neck. It not too bright at all, but I think the my basswood with a maple top guitar has more bass punch.
 
Re: Help me find my ideal wood combo.

You might be over-thinking this a bit. Give your description of the ideal tone you're looking for to a couple of different builders and see what they suggest. I wouldn't be totally surprised to hear recommendations of maple neck w/rosewood fingerboard paired with alder body and some sort of figured top.

What's at the other end of the cable?

That will be the next step, I just want a first run through some ideas to have in mind.
I already asked Peter Crossley during that QA he did about a month or two ago and his recommendation was Mahogany body, Maple top and neck (with some unusual laminates) and an Ebony top. I know I like that combo, just that it doesn't have enough of that Ash attack and edge/growl (that'a almost all in the mids from what I can gather).

As for the other side of the cable, it's the amp :9: A B-52 class A 60 watts tube amp. No effects except from a little reverb. That's it.

I'm a swamp ash convert. I think you will get more low end with SA by going to a maple neck (oiled), instead of the rosewood board on maple (going by Surh's theory). Don't go with ebony if you want a more down low and less top!

I have a swamp ash strat with an all rosewood neck. It not too bright at all, but I think the my basswood with a maple top guitar has more bass punch.

Yeah, I too believe that I'd much rather have a Maple board than a Rosewood one, at this point I'm not even considering Rosewood for my build, maybe Pau Ferro.
However even like that Ash doesn't have enough of a low-end. I want a THICK, TIGHT low end in addition to those mids and highs...
 
Re: Help me find my ideal wood combo.

Wow, talk about unconventional...

I'm thinking either bolt-on (the USACG/Suhr way) or a neck-thru (the custom builder way) so the mah body/ash wings actually makes sense.

But what about Lacewood, that's another wood I'm unfamiliar with, any info about it?
From our very own Frank Falbo.

It was rosewood neckthru with ash wings, but mahogany would probably work there, too.
Thing is, the ash wings won't be doing as much as the neck wood for the predominant tone.

Pau Ferro would be a fine fb wood, but I'm not familiar with it as a tone wood.

MM
 
Re: Help me find my ideal wood combo.

Hey man,

it seems to me that what you are looking for most always comes down with the way something is built as well as wood combos. Alot of similar tones can come from different wood combos but with different builds, dimensions etc....

I would NOT go with the USACG build. Ask Kourbis about my experience with that and he will tell you. You have my permission to ask him on that touchy subject between me and him and USACG.

Just be PATIENT and wait till you get your hands on THAT guitar which you are looking for. That will get you much closer than having something built. and if you want something built I would definitely go with suhr that USACG. IT would SAVE money in the end.
Maybe Basswood is what you are looking for, with a maple cap. That gives great tight lows and a thick sound. To add attack to it you could have a pretty thick maple neck ( unfinished) and maybe an ebony board on that if you want added attack?
Maybe a thicker maple top on the basswood would give you that?

Maybe also a fixed TOM bridge would get you where you want to be more than a Floyd.

There are so many combinations into getting that tone we have in our head.

Kourbis's son had a Jackson not too long ago that was mahogany TOM bridge neck thru with an ebony board I think. Something like that. and it sounded pretty darn awesome. maybe that is what you are looking for?
 
Re: Help me find my ideal wood combo.

How about swamp ash body, mahogany neck ebony fretboard? with neck joint like early PRS ...
 
Re: Help me find my ideal wood combo.

From our very own Frank Falbo.

It was rosewood neckthru with ash wings, but mahogany would probably work there, too.
Thing is, the ash wings won't be doing as much as the neck wood for the predominant tone.

Pau Ferro would be a fine fb wood, but I'm not familiar with it as a tone wood.

MM


Thanks for that link. That was an enjoyable read!
 
Re: Help me find my ideal wood combo.

Thanks guys REALLY appreciate it!!!

As for you tone? my friend, the USACG would be the more economic solution provided I have a perfect idea of what I want. If money allows of course and I'll go with the Suhr Modern. As for a bridge, I know a string-thru TOM would add sustain and clarity but my ideal guitar HAS to have a trem, no way about it really. Just flush-mount like Charvels (but with 24 frets).

Yeah, I know the guitar Andreas has, it's THICK and REAL mean but it's more modern sounding. The tone I have in my head is more 80s with a growl and a more even (more modern) EQ. That's it basically. An 80s tone with more (but not shrill) highs and more (and tight and defined) lows...
 
Re: Help me find my ideal wood combo.

The tone I have in my head is more 80s with a growl and a more even (more modern) EQ. That's it basically. An 80s tone with more (but not shrill) highs and more (and tight and defined) lows...

Well that pretty much describes ash. You can probably turn up the bass EQ at the amp and still keep it tight and articulate with ash. That's one thing about ash. Basswood and mahogony have more lows, but they are not as tight. Suhr says that you get thicker lower end and chunk under gain with pau ferro neck woods, so it might help to bring that into the equation too.

What your describing though in another sense is basswood or mahogony with a maple top.

But I'm leaning more toward avoiding laminate tops for my own ideas for future projects. Single wood bodies seem to resonate better acoustically in my experience. Then again acoustic properties don't always translate to electric tone.

Bear in mind that these are all just probabilities and what will happen in reality still has a element of risk because every guitar is different.

On edit: I'm talking swamp ash not heavy ash here.
 
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Re: Help me find my ideal wood combo.

Exactly, Ash has the tone I'm talking about to a T.

On the other hand the Mahogany neck & body + Maple top + Ebony board has the exact EQ balance I like but it's lacking that voice.

In essence I'm trying to marry the two. Good idea with the Pau Ferro. That is a wood I've been thinking about actually. Just didn't know where to put. So neck huh?
 
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