Help me with EC strat pickups please!

nedcronin

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Hey all, here's my predicament. I picked up an Eric Clapton strat, new a few weeks ago. I love it, plays great. I love the bridge pickup, with OD & clean. I haven't really had to use the mid boost much at all. When I have it's only up to like 2, just to get me "over the top". Now the neck pickup sounds pretty dark, a little too dark. With OD it actually is surely too dark. The 2 & 4 positions sound ok clean, just a tad too dark. But with OD, the 2 & 4 position are much too dark. There is no glassy, stratty kind of thing happening. In fact I would describe the tone in the 2 & 4 as on the verge of dead. I wouldn't even think of using the mid boost in those positions, just goes to straight mud with zero cut. I really noticed it with my band again tonight...quite unusable in the 2 & 4. Now I can get a touch of sparkle with the TBX control, but I feel like I should get a strattier tone with the TBX in the detent or middle, off position. Btw I am using a 68 Super Reverb, and for drive I use a Catalinbread SFT. I also use an Analogman TS808 modded TS9 on some rhythm parts with the drive all the way down and the level almost all the way up for a nice gritty tone. This is where I would like my 2 & 4 positions to come through.
Now, obviously these are dark pups, but I'm wondering if height adjustments could at let substantially help with this dead tone on 2 & 4 positions? I hate to go and start hunting around for pickups or electronics replacements on this fiddle. And I definitely don't want it to be an overly bright strat. H ha I never thought I would have the problem of a strat that is too dark!
 
Re: Help me with EC strat pickups please!

How old is the 9v battery in your guitar?
 
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Hey Funky, I changed the battery just to be safe. But the guitar is new and I never leave it plugged in, so I think they will last a long time. I'm going to lower the middle pickup a touch and see what that gets me. Also if I do use the TBX it does get strattier, I may have to utilize that a little more.
 
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If you have things set up to make the unboosted sound fairly fat, it should come as no surprise that things turn muddy as soon as you wind up the mid range.

In my opinion, the EC signature Strat is designed to drive a valve amplifier into overdrive without resorting to pedals. As an experiment, try plugging directly into another, dirtier, valve amplifier with no pedals.
 
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I have two EC Strats. But mine are the old ones with lace sensors. IMHO Fender made a bad choice in switching to the noiseless pickups. I know this is not what you want to hear but every guitar I have played that has the noiseless pickups just sounded lifeless and sterile to my ears. If you are looking for a more Stratty tone consider some antiquities, or you could seek out a set of the lace sensor golds that I have In mine. The lace sensors always worked really well in the EC Strats. They have a bit more output then the noiseless pickups do and should be fine for what you are looking for. I also rarely use my boost circuit. I bought this guitar because I fell in love with the neck. I bought a black one new in 87 or 88 and about a year later I bought a green one used. They are about 500#'s apart ironically. My black one is as close to a number one as I can get. It's a special guitar, that said is I usually gig with my green one. Mine have a certain crispness to the tone that one would expect with a Strat.
 
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If you have things set up to make the unboosted sound fairly fat, it should come as no surprise that things turn muddy as soon as you wind up the mid range.

In my opinion, the EC signature Strat is designed to drive a valve amplifier into overdrive without resorting to pedals. As an experiment, try plugging directly into another, dirtier, valve amplifier with no pedals.
I think it was more in the idea that fender and Eric were trying to get a humbucker type of tone out of a Strat. I really don't think it worked as well as planned but that was the original intent. I think it just muddies up a perfectly good Strat tone. There are some uses for it but that's why I usually bring two guitars when I am gigging. One with buckers and one with singles. EC was torn between having a les Paul and a Strat when playing. You know he felt that when playing chords that Strat was perfect but he wanted a bit more balls when he solos. It works for him. For me I just pick the right guitar for the tune I am playing.
 
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I have two EC Strats. But mine are the old ones with lace sensors. I bought a black one new in 87 or 88 and about a year later I bought a green one used. They are about 500#'s apart ironically. My black one is as close to a number one as I can get. It's a special guitar, that said is I usually gig with my green one. Mine have a certain crispness to the tone that one would expect with a Strat.

Love those late 80's Clapton Strats. I wish I had never sold mine, but I just couldn't get into the Lace Sensor pickups and the circuitry. Should've just rewired it with Antiquity Surfers and new pots. It was so nice stock that I didn't want to mod it I guess. But it played beautifully and had a nice resonance. It sounded nice plugged in but didn't get quite enough of that authentic vintage tone that I'm used to.

To the OP: I don't think there's any noiseless pickups I've owned that totally satisfied me. The Duncan Classic Stack Plus pickups are very good though. I even had a set of EMG's like the set David Gilmore has that sounded real good too. But there's none that sound as good to me as the Duncan Antiquity Surfers and Antiquity Texas Hot Custom bridge pickups that I have in my #1 Strat.

They are "vintage" style single coils and not noiseless. But I'll put up with the hum to get that tone. Nothing noiseless really turns me on, I'm sorry to say.
 
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I know you don't want to hear it but you need new pickups...

If you have to be noiseless the Lace Sensors are, IMHO much better than the Vintage Noiseless but a true single coil would be even better.

I'd suggest something like a set of SSL-1's as a great starting point.
 
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the classic stack + pups are nice and sound really close to a vintage single coil but a set of real singles like the ssl1 or antiquity II surfers are what you want.

i have the mid boost thats in the clapton strat and used it with antiquitys for a while and the tone was great and hum wasnt an issue for me
 
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In my opinion, the EC signature Strat is designed to drive a valve amplifier into overdrive without resorting to pedals.

This. Ive owned a clapton strat in the past and also put the circuitry and pickups in another strat. Lots of great tones but doesnt vibe with OD/dirt pedals at all in my experience.
 
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i find that to be true as well. the mid boost works great with tweed style amps though!
 
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I find the EC Strats tend to have a bit more output even without using the boost. They are just louder guitars. When I want a tradtional "vintage" type of tone I have a few Strats that I can use, but if I want a little more balls & a bit more drive they are perfect for this.
 
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the fender mid boost system they use on the ec strats is actually two boost circuits. there is a straight preamp boost that is on all the time then the adjustable mid boost.
 
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