Help needed with Pots and Capacitors !!

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Could someone help me remember what the differences are between the different Values of Pots and Capacitors are ? How each value corresponds with the overall tone of a pickup. Like which is warmer and which is brighter and so forth ?
 
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The higher number on the pot the more highs get through, ie a 500k pot will be brighter than a 250k pot. Keep in mind they are additive so a guitar with a single 500k pot is brighter than a guitar with 2 500k pots.

For caps they have no effect on tone when the knob is full up. The higher the number the darker it will get faster when you roll the knob down. So a .047 will roll off highs quicker and more severe than a .022.
 
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I noticed that most use a .033 cap with 300k pots for P90's, So if I used 500k pots with .047 caps it should give it a overall darker tone ?
 
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I noticed that most use a .033 cap with 300k pots for P90's, So if I used 500k pots with .047 caps it should give it a overall darker tone ?

brighter with the ability to get darker.

500k is good for p90s. It allows them to not get real muddy. The .047s would be a choice pending your preference.
 
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Oh ok I think I see which way this is going now ! lol . So if I used 300k's with .047's it would get darker ??
 
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For caps they have no effect on tone when the knob is full up.

Only if you use a no load tone pot. For a normal pot, the tone cap still rolls off some of the highs even when you're all the way up.

Roscoe
 
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Oh ok I think I see which way this is going now ! lol . So if I used 300k's with .047's it would get darker ??

ok. Simply put, at tone wide open the capacitor is pretty much doing nothing. The pot value constantly effects your timbre. As you roll the tone off, the higher value cap will bleed off more treble to ground.

1meg ohm is brighter than 500k which is brighter than 300k which is brighter than 250k.
 
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ok. Simply put, at tone wide open the capacitor is pretty much doing nothing. The pot value constantly effects your timbre. As you roll the tone off, the higher value cap will bleed off more treble to ground.

1meg ohm is brighter than 500k which is brighter than 300k which is brighter than 250k.

And would the caps go the same way or opposite ?
 
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Only if you use a no load tone pot. For a normal pot, the tone cap still rolls off some of the highs even when you're all the way up.

Roscoe

It's not the capacitor that rolls off highs when the tone knob is on "10". The reason highs get rolled off is because the tone pot is wired in parallel with the volume pot, and the two variable resistors in parallel yield a lower resistance. So where a single 500K volume, no tone knob, yields an impedance of 500K, a volume knob of 500K in parallel with a tone knob of 500K will yield an impedance of 250K. This lower impedance rolls off the highs. A .047uF capacitor with the tone knob on "10" won't roll off any more highs than a .022uF capacitor with the tone knob on "10", given the potentiometer impedances are constant. Edgecrusher is still technically correct.

The higher value cap will just roll off more highs when the tone knob is on "0", because the tone knob is an RC low-pass filter. Frequencies lower than the cut-off frequency produced by the RC circuit will be unaffected, while frequencies above the cutoff frequency will be shunted to ground. When you keep the resistance constant, but increase the capacitor value in a guitar's RC tone control circuit, the cut-off frequency is lowered; meaning more frequencies will be above that threshold, and will be shunted to ground.
 
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OK I get what you are saying now ! That's the best explanation that I have seen yet ! Thanks everyone for your input.. Another question I have is what affect would you have if you used for example 2- 300k pots for tone and 2-500k pots for volume ? Or vice versa .. Or is this even possible ?
 
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You can mix different value potentiometers. A 500K volume + 300K tone would have a lower impedance than two 500K potentiometers, but a higher impedance than two 250K potentiometers. It's something worth experimenting with. The industry standard is 500K all-around for humbuckers (Gibson being the exception, using 300K), and 250K all-around for single coils. You can break those "rules" though. The JB/Jazz combo works very well with 250K pots - some people even prefer them this way. I also like to use 500K pots in telecasters - it really opens up the telecaster neck pickup, and gives the bridge even more bite, which can be tamed with the tone control to get a really snarling midrange-heavy tone. Then you get guys like Tony Iommi, who use 1 Megaohm volume potentiometers with disconnected tone controls. This is a high-enough impedance that it's practically the same as wiring the pickup straight to the jack. This works well with darker humbuckers, like the Iommi signature pickups. There's also the preferences of linear versus logarithmic tapered potentiometers.

The industry standard is logarithmic all-around, but Gibson is the exception using linear volume pots. I personally prefer linear volume pots, because it acts more like a gain control - letting you clean up the signal with just the volume knob, without really affecting the volume too much. Logarithmic volume pots will also clean up the signal, but make things quieter. It comes down to preference.
 
Re: Help needed with Pots and Capacitors !!

You can mix different value potentiometers. A 500K volume + 300K tone would have a lower impedance than two 500K potentiometers, but a higher impedance than two 250K potentiometers. It's something worth experimenting with. The industry standard is 500K all-around for humbuckers (Gibson being the exception, using 300K), and 250K all-around for single coils. You can break those "rules" though. The JB/Jazz combo works very well with 250K pots - some people even prefer them this way. I also like to use 500K pots in telecasters - it really opens up the telecaster neck pickup, and gives the bridge even more bite, which can be tamed with the tone control to get a really snarling midrange-heavy tone. Then you get guys like Tony Iommi, who use 1 Megaohm volume potentiometers with disconnected tone controls. This is a high-enough impedance that it's practically the same as wiring the pickup straight to the jack. This works well with darker humbuckers, like the Iommi signature pickups. There's also the preferences of linear versus logarithmic tapered potentiometers.

The industry standard is logarithmic all-around, but Gibson is the exception using linear volume pots. I personally prefer linear volume pots, because it acts more like a gain control - letting you clean up the signal with just the volume knob, without really affecting the volume too much. Logarithmic volume pots will also clean up the signal, but make things quieter. It comes down to preference.

By logarithmic do you mean Audio Taper ? Or is this different ?
 
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