Help wiring Fender Am. Deluxe P/J bass

[paytojt]

Ok. Put pickups in guitars many times with no issues. Waiting on Duncan SPB 2 and Dimarzio Ultra Jazz for the bridge. While reading, I've found several stories about phase problems when using both pickups together. Using this diagram http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=p_j_bass_blend
will the problems not occur? Searching didn't help unfortunately. 2014 model, active passive switch if that matters.Thanks in advance.

 

[paytojt]

Re: Help wiring Fender Am. Deluxe P/J bass

sorry I'll put it in bassment, haven't been here in a while...

 

[paytojt]

Help with wiring Am. Deluxe Fender bass PJ

Help with wiring Am. Deluxe Fender bass PJ

Ok. Put pickups in guitars many times with no issues. Waiting on Duncan SPB 2 and Dimarzio Ultra Jazz for the bridge. While reading, I've found several stories about phase problems when using both pickups together. Using this diagram http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=p_j_bass_blend
will the problems not occur? Searching didn't help unfortunately. 2014 model, active passive switch if that matters.Thanks in advance.

 

[paytojt]

Re: Help wiring Fender Am. Deluxe P/J bass

The solution to any phase incompatibility will be to reverse the conductor wires of the DiMarzio Ultra Jazz pickup on a per coil basis.

I'm afraid I don't know what that means completely. Thanks for the beginning of the solution, though!

 

[jeremy]

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Re: Help with wiring Am. Deluxe Fender bass PJ

i dont know if they are in phase or not but if there is phase issues you can swap the wires on one of the pups and you should be fine

 

[paytojt]

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Re: Help with wiring Am. Deluxe Fender bass PJ

i dont know if they are in phase or not but if there is phase issues you can swap the wires on one of the pups and you should be fine

I'm good at diagrams, but not sure which wires you are referring to. Rookie, I know!

 

[paytojt]

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The solution to any phase incompatibility will be to reverse the conductor wires of the DiMarzio Ultra Jazz pickup on a per coil basis.

Ok. So for Dimarzio, Red=hot, Green=ground, White and Black=soldered together and taped off. Are you saying switch the green and red or make white and black take red and green's place? I hope that made sense...

 

[paytojt]

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Re: Help with wiring Am. Deluxe Fender bass PJ

The solution to any phase incompatibility will be to reverse the conductor wires of the DiMarzio Ultra Jazz pickup on a per coil basis.

Ok. So for Dimarzio, Red=hot, Green=ground, White and Black=soldered together and taped off. Are you saying switch the green and red or make white and black take red and green's place? I hope that made sense...

This is from the original thread I put in the wrong place.

 

[jeremy]

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Re: Help with wiring Am. Deluxe Fender bass PJ

if they are out of phase then switch the red and green wires

 

[paytojt]

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Re: Help with wiring Am. Deluxe Fender bass PJ

Thanks man! I can handle switching colors on the Dimarzio.

 

[Funkfingers]

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Re: Help with wiring Am. Deluxe Fender bass PJ

The DiMarzio Ultra Jazz is a stacked coil, noise-cancelling design. In the event that coil split is required, in order to keep the upper coil as the one that remains operational, it is necessary to reverse the pickup output conductors on a per coil basis.

Black = Hot
Red soldered to Green and insulated
White = Ground.
Bare = ground.

Here is a snazzy schematic diagram. http://www.dimarzio.com/sites/default/files/diagrams/pj_1v1t_blendpot_2dpdtdualsnd.pdf

 

[jeremy]

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Re: Help with wiring Am. Deluxe Fender bass PJ

very true, didnt think about if you were going to coil split.

it may be easier to switch the wires on the pbass pup if you have a phase issue and will be splitting the coils on the jazz pup

 

[paytojt]

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Re: Help with wiring Am. Deluxe Fender bass PJ

If only for warranty reasons, my inclination would be to leave both pickups stock and do any fancy wiring trickery using only the four-con + shield pickup.

Some of this suggestion is pure habit on my part. As you know, some older P Bass pickups come with a metal screening plate on the underside. Easier by far to leave things connected - especially if your soldering iron cannot put enough heat into that metal screen.

The DiMarzio schematic via the link in post #7 is probably for two Ultra Jazz pickups but it could work just as well for a PJ pair, provided that both pickups have four-con + shield output cable.

In my opinion, for a hot P style pickup, the differences between series and parallel are worth having. Two output levels and, more importantly, the parallel mode offers a better volume balance with the Jazz pickup.

Modifying a two-con split coils bass guitar pickup to four-con + shield is not difficult but it would void any warranty.

This is above my experience! I just want to not have a phase issue, so if necessary, I'll swap red and green. The parallel/series stuff I can do without for now, as long as I get a characteristic blend when using both pickups. I do appreciate the responses, though.

 

[paytojt]

Re: Help wiring Fender Am. Deluxe P/J bass

At the risk of repeating what I posted in The Basement version of this question, connect up the SD P Bass pickup in the conventional manner. White = hot, black = ground.

If, around the centre of the Balance pot travel, the sound turns honky and quiet, you have a phase issue. The remedy is to reconfigure the four output conductors of the DiMarzio Ultra Jazz as follows;

Black = hot
Red soldered to Green and insulated
White = ground
Bare = ground.

For what it is worth, I usually solder these two ground wires to different locations. In the event that you do have phase reversal, the problem will be easier to resolve.

At the risk of sounding like an idiot, in the other thread you guys were saying something about coil splitting. In my past experiences with guitar pickups, I only split coils if I desired a single coil sound from humbuckers. What I read here seems to state the Ultra Jazz would be split, and would not be humbucking. I know I have to be missing something in the terminology or something, but I usually grasp this stuff quickly, and I'm getting frustrated with myself.

 

[paytojt]

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Re: Help with wiring Am. Deluxe Fender bass PJ

you guys were saying something about coil splitting. In my past experiences with guitar pickups, I only split coils if I desired a single coil sound from humbuckers. What I read here seems to state the Ultra Jazz would be split, and would not be humbucking. I know I have to be missing something in the terminology or something, but I usually grasp this stuff quickly, and I'm getting frustrated with myself.

 

[paytojt]

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Re: Help with wiring Am. Deluxe Fender bass PJ

The DiMarzio Ultra Jazz pickup will only be in Coil Split mode if you have switched it to operate that way.

In the context of Precision Bass pickups, the term "Split Coil" has long been used to differentiate between the 1957 design and the original 1951 single coil.

So doing this will allow it to remain humbucking, and no tone change? If so, perfect. I do appreciate the help!
Black = Hot
Red soldered to Green and insulated
White = Ground.
Bare = ground.

 

[jeremy]

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if you split the coil on the ultra jazz the youd only use the top coil. it would no longer be humbucking and the tone will be brighter and a little louder

 

[paytojt]

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if you split the coil on the ultra jazz the youd only use the top coil. it would no longer be humbucking and the tone will be brighter and a little louder

right, this I luckily know. But you stated switch green and red, then later he (funkfingers) stated red and green being soldered together, the my head exploded... jk. But I don't care about splitting. I just want a solution to possible phase issues when both are 100 blended in middle position. Sorry, I know you guys must think I'm an idiot! Funkfingers said, if I'm understanding correctly, that the pickup will still be humbucking and the tone original by doing it his way. Maybe that will just leave it open to be split if I choose that option down the road. (?) Sheesh, I never had this much trouble with guitars, but it was always two humbuckers I was dealing with and maybe a middle.

 

[Funkfingers]

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There are two editions of this thread currently active. One of them wants closing. Probably this one.

 

[paytojt]

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I agree. I just kept responding as long as people posted.