'High-output' pickup warming up an amp

WoodyTone

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As I believe I've mentioned here, I've had a Les Paul Classic that just didn't want to sound good thru my plexi relica (+ 4x12 greenbacks). It came with the stock ceramic-mag pickup which sounded okay, but I wanted more organic -- and less bright/one trick pony (much of which is the amp). I tried a Pearly Gates (liked the Alnico 2 but too much high-mids), a WCR Darkburst (too trebly and the attack was too fast for me), a Seymour Duncan "blackback" (sounded okay, but...) -- and was about to try a vintage Super Distortion when I figured why do that when the stock pickup sounded like that. (In no way am I thumbs-downing these pickups -- they just didn't work with this guitar and amp to my ears.)

I finally switched the preamp tubes which helped a little, but that Les Paul still wouldn't sound good -- with vintage-output pickups. So for the hell of it, since I love the pickup so much, I took the EVH Frankenstein out of my super strat and stuck it in the bridge of the Les Paul. The result floored me: fat, clear, powerful -- sounded great (if a little hot)!

I asked the experts on the MetroAmp forum, and here is an interesting answer: "back when plexi's were being produced, most humbuckers had covers, which shaved off a good deal of high end. you get a similar effect with higher resistance pickups. more turns of wire increases capacitance and thus reduces high end response. you mentioned mostly PAF type pickups, which would have far less capacitance due to their lower number of wire turns. probably the reason the frankie pickup worked for you is because of it's weaker magnet (less highs) and high resistance (also less highs)."

Does this make sense to the pickup experts here, and has anyone else experienced higher-output pickups/warming phenomenon?

Edit: I know there are a lot of fellow EVH-heads here, so just wanted to mention my two most recent blog posts:

Examples of Ed's super early VH playing
http://www.woodytone.com/2009/09/21/super-early-evh-its-all-there/

Ed talks about how Blackmore inspired him to use the bar
http://www.woodytone.com/2009/09/18/evh-started-using-the-bar-because-of-blackmore/
 
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Re: 'High-output' pickup warming up an amp

a cover and more windings dont really sound all that similar to me but the end result is less high end in both cases.

higher output pups are usually warmer by definition. if you spin 8k worth of #42 then 10k worth, the 10k will be warmer. more resistance = less high end all other factors being the same.
 
Re: 'High-output' pickup warming up an amp

OK then here's my next question: Can I get a pickup that's, say, 12.5 but sounds more vintage than higher-gain? Does anyone make one, or can you recommend one with those properties?

I think the EVH does a good job, but it's 16K. That said, it sounds like Angus with the Les Paul vol rolled back to like 5.
 
Re: 'High-output' pickup warming up an amp

im sure it can be done, would probably be #43 wire cause it wont be #42 but i couldnt tell ya what other than the custom shop s-deco
 
Re: 'High-output' pickup warming up an amp

OK then here's my next question: Can I get a pickup that's, say, 12.5 but sounds more vintage than higher-gain? Does anyone make one, or can you recommend one with those properties?

I think the EVH does a good job, but it's 16K. That said, it sounds like Angus with the Les Paul vol rolled back to like 5.

The BareKnuckle Black Dog (think Led Zep tone) is a vintage-hot voiced 'bucker.


Vintage Hot :

* VHII Humbucker - 9.2K
* Black Dog Humbucker - 9.5K
* Emerald Humbucker - 11K
* Abraxas Humbucker - 14K

http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/ZH-blackdog.html


Hope this helps.

James
 
Re: 'High-output' pickup warming up an amp

OK then here's my next question: Can I get a pickup that's, say, 12.5 but sounds more vintage than higher-gain? Does anyone make one, or can you recommend one with those properties?

I think the EVH does a good job, but it's 16K. That said, it sounds like Angus with the Les Paul vol rolled back to like 5.

a Custom/59 hybrid is around 11.3K or so... I love mine. I feel like I get the vintage tone but it's a tad hotter. Use whatever magnet you like.
 
Re: 'High-output' pickup warming up an amp

Thanks guys. Couple Qs:

jeremy -- What is the S-deco? The SD website has the specs, but no description -- just a hot PAF? If so, how is it different from the Brobucker?

SlowGroove -- Have you heard/used that BK pickup?

GoDrex -- Which coils from which pickups?
 
Re: 'High-output' pickup warming up an amp

Putting on a cover does about the same thing as going from 500 Kohm to 250 Kohm pots.
 
Re: 'High-output' pickup warming up an amp

GoDrex -- Which coils from which pickups?

the one I'm using now has the slug coil from the 59

I've read some saying that it's better the other way. Haven't tried it yet.
 
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