How can i get the red special tone in a budget?

Solosklan

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I find myself in the same situation as Brian was, I can't afford a chibson or a squire, and here in México All the second hand guitars are beaten up and rusty, so and i am planning to make a red special.
I've been doing a lot of research about the red special and from what i learned the lipstick pickups are like the Burns Tri-sonic pickups: they both have a similar construction and seem to be quite big (judging by a video of someone opening one and comparing them to the restoration photos).
Can i get a similar Brian May tone using lipstick pickups, or should i use neodymium modified single coils? (Both cheap sets from Ebay)
 
Re: How can i get the red special tone in a budget?

I can't comment on the lipstick pickup issue......but even within pickup types there are huge variations on tone depending on wind - and lipsticks seem quite low power compared with say the trisonic.

But.......there are many more things about Brian May's rig that will be more influential than just the pickup type. The 24" scale, semihollow construction and the 24 frets (making the pickup spacing what it is) are more important than the pickups.....as is the wiring - giving you series + phase switching.
Then you have the cranked Vox AC30 tone, plus the rangemaster treblebooster in front.
 
Re: How can i get the red special tone in a budget?

Thanks, i didn't take into consideration the string spacing at the bridge.
 
Re: How can i get the red special tone in a budget?

Fender Mustang. Same scale length as the Red Special, and same phase reversing switching scheme (though for only two pickups, as opposed to three like on the Red Special). Run it through a cranked low-mid-wattage amp, have a treble booster handy, and use a coin for your pick.

You will never sound like Brian May, but these elements will definitely help.
 
Re: How can i get the red special tone in a budget?

Thanks For helping but i can't afford that guitar (really i can't afford any guitar)
 
Re: How can i get the red special tone in a budget?

I find myself in the same situation as Brian was, I can't afford a chibson or a squire, and here in México All the second hand guitars are beaten up and rusty, so and i am planning to make a red special.
I've been doing a lot of research about the red special and from what i learned the lipstick pickups are like the Burns Tri-sonic pickups: they both have a similar construction and seem to be quite big (judging by a video of someone opening one and comparing them to the restoration photos).
Can i get a similar Brian May tone using lipstick pickups, or should i use neodymium modified single coils? (Both cheap sets from Ebay)

A few months ago, I've fitted a short scale (24') Strat with a (regular sized) Tri-Sonic bridge PU and two lipsticks in mid / neck positions... plus a TBX tone control modified to give series and parallel wiring. This instrument plugged in a Rangemaster clone feeding a Vox AC gives a good emulation of the Red Special tone but is still not TOTALLY there. Reasons:

1-Even compared to other transducers with an apparently similar architecture (lipsticks, "Gold Foil" variations and so on), Tri-Sonic's are truly special pickups, whose sound is due to their wide footprint and to the incredible amount of "Eddy currents" generated by their metallic "shell".
Cancel one of these specs and the Tri-Sonic tone is gone. For example, I've here a pair of Srat sized "DiMarzio Brian May" with plastic covers: these things sound like subdued Strat pickups and not like regular sized TS's. The same thing can be said about "Burns mini-Tri-Sonics": they have the required metallic covers but their reduced Strat size results in a narrowed magnetic windows and a way lower inductance than needed... so they don't sound either like their big sized models.

2-Regarding the guitar, you already know that it's not only a short scale one but also a "special" instrument with a chambered body and a unique tremolo unit: these features among others contribute to a unique tone that even mass marketed "Brian May Guitars" don't reproduce totally IMHO.

THAT BEING SAID:

1-A good part of the Red Special tone is due to its unique wiring, with single coils pickups in series and phase inverters. If you use a guitar with single coils able to give bridge + mid in phase / in series AND mid + neck out of phase / in series, you'll already have something very close to the two tones most often used by Brian May (NOTE: I do that with a Strat copy whose wiring allows to put in series splitted humbuckers and it works decently).

2- There's relatively cheap products able to give you a good approximation of what you want. See this: https://www.guitarfetish.com/KP--Brighton-Rock-Vintage-Pickups--Kwikplug-Ready_p_22006.html... and that: https://www.thomann.de/es/harley_benton_bm_75_trans_red.htm

3-I've already heard people characterizing a tone as "exactly the same" than Brian May's sound, although it hadn't been at all produced with Brian May's rig: there's many ways to skin a cat and IME/IMHO, it's possible to mimic Queen in a convincing way with many guitars and amps, as soon as the required settings and playing are applied (I've already done that with a Variax in a Marshall and nobody in the audience told me that my tone was "off").

Good luck in your quest.
 
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Re: How can i get the red special tone in a budget?

I really appreciate the effort that you put in your comment, i guess i'll save up for the gfs pups since buying a guitar would cost me more than making the Old Lady.
I guess i will do the Old Lady in the good ol' fashion way, by hand since i only have a battery drill as a powertool
 
Re: How can i get the red special tone in a budget?

What amp are you using? As wasn’t previously stated, the AC30 and treble booster are bigger factors than the guitar.
 
How can i get the red special tone in a budget?

You can get in the ballpark of Brian May tone with lower output early 60’s type Strat pickups. The key is a dimed Vox AC30 or an overloaded bookshelf/battery SS amp with a 6-8” speaker and a bit of EQ/tone control. Wire the guitar so the bridge can be mixed with the middle and/or neck pickups. The only thing to add is a phase switch on the bridge pickup, then you can get the screamin lead sounds.

Lipstick pickups are not the same as Burns trisonics. Might work but I think they’re farther from the sound than Strat pickups.

(I have a Brian May guitar and the closest sounding guitar I have to it is my reissue Fender ‘62 Stratocaster. Yes it is different, no phase options, but nothing else got closer when using VOX AC30s and recording.)

Side note: there are multiple comments about the red special being short scale. Perhaps true but my reissue doesn’t feel short scale. The neck feels like a baseball bat with classical guitar spacing at the nut. The first 5-7 frets feel Telecaster scale to me.
 
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