How close Metal can you get with the right amp, guitar and a seth lover bridge

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How close to Metal can you get with the right amp and a seth bridge?
Think early Metal (Sabbath, Zeppelin) --> 80's Metal (Dio,Dokken, Megadeth,Iron Maiden -->90's Metal (Alice in Chains,Soundgarden) --> Today's Metal (Killswitch Engage, Opeth etc.) Thoughts? I dont have a lot of access to different higain amps but I was just pondering this question?
 
Re: How close Metal can you get with the right amp, guitar and a seth lover bridge

Early metal, easy.
Not so sure about the rest.
 
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any pup like a seth or PAF winds will do metal if you are using a high gain amp/pedals.
There is a guy here that did a metal clip with a jazz bridge pup! thats is the cleanest pup evedr so IF that does metal a seth will no problem:approve:
Take a seth and put it through a 5150 stack=METAL(hopefully without feedback though!)
 
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I have gotten brutal heavy sounds out of a 59' into a 5150 with no issues.

I snagged a used pair of WCR Darkbursts the other day and I'm curious to see how they handle high gain. The only thing to remember is with dynamic pickups, your chops have to be better and consistant.
 
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Also, sometimes there is a need for the compression and low end from some higher output wind pickups. All depends on what you want, like or need. I love both paf style and 22k monsters. I use either interchangably too. Just depends what mood i'm in!
 
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xxxplorer said:
I have gotten brutal heavy sounds out of a 59' into a 5150 with no issues.

I snagged a used pair of WCR Darkbursts the other day and I'm curious to see how they handle high gain. The only thing to remember is with dynamic pickups, your chops have to be better and consistant.
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PM me IF you dont like those darkburst pu's AND WANT TO SELL:cool2:
 
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Will do Ed. I was orginally looking for another Ironman, but I found a semi local deal on a Darkburst Bridge and Cross roads neck. If I don't dig it, I am getting another Ironman. I think I will like it though. Only one way to know!
 
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I'd love to experiement with Seths or Ants some day but don't have the time right now. I will say that for speed/thrash/modern metal where you have a lot of fast intricate riffing, I've found hotter pick ups with ceramic or A5s to be best. I've also found the same magnet/pup choices work if you play a lot of shred or fast leads. They just seem to track better. Lower output pups or those with other magents (say A2s, which are beautiful sounding) tend to mush out with high gain and not track as well. All of this is a huge generalization I know, and you might be able to compensate with effects, compression, more gain, etc., but it gets increasingly difficult. So I guess in the end it's not a matter of can you do it, it's what are you willing to put yourself through.
 
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I ran to a similar problem wanting to play metal with waterbranes, as SethLovers they aint wax potted and this gave me microphonic issues. I did not want to change the tonal character so instead of completely wax potting I only halh potted them to great results.

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Plenty of distortion grunt and no squealing and great tonal characteristics.
 
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I was told that you could have achieved the same results by dippin the lower half of the pup in wax? A guy i correspond with had great results potting his squealing PAF pup from the bottom of the coils down?:scratchch
 
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Jeff5 said:
I'd love to experiement with Seths or Ants some day but don't have the time right now. I will say that for speed/thrash/modern metal where you have a lot of fast intricate riffing, I've found hotter pick ups with ceramic or A5s to be best. I've also found the same magnet/pup choices work if you play a lot of shred or fast leads. They just seem to track better. Lower output pups or those with other magents (say A2s, which are beautiful sounding) tend to mush out with high gain and not track as well. All of this is a huge generalization I know, and you might be able to compensate with effects, compression, more gain, etc., but it gets increasingly difficult. So I guess in the end it's not a matter of can you do it, it's what are you willing to put yourself through.
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+1 on all this.

I love my Seth and also DiMarzio PAFs, both are awesome in the bridge position for hard rock. But I just dont feel they work as well as hotter pups like the JB for metal.
 
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Mad Raxz said:
I ran to a similar problem wanting to play metal with waterbranes, as SethLovers they aint wax potted and this gave me microphonic issues. I did not want to change the tonal character so instead of completely wax potting I only halh potted them to great results.

Waterbrane1.jpg

halfwaxpotting1.jpg

Halfwaxpotting.jpg


Plenty of distortion grunt and no squealing and great tonal characteristics.
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lol at first I thought that was a nasty toilet
 
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These are all great commments. I never really expected seths to get me to modern metal riffing and chugging. What I do want to be able to do is Earlier 80's and 90's metal. Dio, Maiden, Alice in chains, earlier Ozzy. Then if I want to switch over and do some blues I can just change amps or turn off my tube screamer. Thanks for all the comments.
 
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clcwarlock said:
These are all great commments. I never really expected seths to get me to modern metal riffing and chugging. What I do want to be able to do is Earlier 80's and 90's metal. Dio, Maiden, Alice in chains, earlier Ozzy. Then if I want to switch over and do some blues I can just change amps or turn off my tube screamer. Thanks for all the comments.
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those styles are no prob with a seth.:)
 
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clcwarlock said:
These are all great commments. I never really expected seths to get me to modern metal riffing and chugging. What I do want to be able to do is Earlier 80's and 90's metal. Dio, Maiden, Alice in chains, earlier Ozzy. Then if I want to switch over and do some blues I can just change amps or turn off my tube screamer. Thanks for all the comments.
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Early Ozzy, no problem. But for Maiden and Dio I would much rather have something hotter, purely for the reasons outlined above.
 
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clcwarlock said:
How close to Metal can you get with the right amp and a seth bridge?
Think early Metal (Sabbath, Zeppelin) --> 80's Metal (Dio,Dokken, Megadeth,Iron Maiden -->90's Metal (Alice in Chains,Soundgarden) --> Today's Metal (Killswitch Engage, Opeth etc.) Thoughts? I dont have a lot of access to different higain amps but I was just pondering this question?
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OK pause.

Alice in Chains and Soundgarden are NOT metal. Now that that's cleared up,

Seths will do you fine for Sabbath, Aerosmith (70's blues/metal), Guns N' Roses (80's blues/metal).

If we're talking 90's metal, i.e. Pantera, Nevermore, Emperor, etc. you'll probably need at least Alnico V if not Ceramics and rails and noise reduction/potting to get you anywhere.
 
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Jeff5 said:
I'd love to experiement with Seths or Ants some day but don't have the time right now. I will say that for speed/thrash/modern metal where you have a lot of fast intricate riffing, I've found hotter pick ups with ceramic or A5s to be best. I've also found the same magnet/pup choices work if you play a lot of shred or fast leads. They just seem to track better. Lower output pups or those with other magents (say A2s, which are beautiful sounding) tend to mush out with high gain and not track as well. All of this is a huge generalization I know, and you might be able to compensate with effects, compression, more gain, etc., but it gets increasingly difficult. So I guess in the end it's not a matter of can you do it, it's what are you willing to put yourself through.
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Agreed to everything. Tracking ability is very important for some styles.
 
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