How to shred?

Syris

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Can anybody give some tips on how to shred. I'm just starting out at this so I want to get a good foundation. Any information is highly appreciated. Some things that would be great are exercises and picking technique. Also timing for picking would be awesome. I can play quikly on one string (you know, sixteenth notes and all) but when I try to switch to a different string in the middle of this I get all screwed up. My timing between my pick and my fingers is off I guess.

Anything would be great. Thanks in advance.
 
Re: How to shred?

Slowly.
S l o w l y.

S l o w e r.

I'm serious. If you have to play at 5bpm to pull something off perfectly, do it. This is groundwork you're laying, and going slow, even, and clean now will pay big dividends later. There are no magical exercises for shredding, despite what people think. The pro's "secrets" are that they worked long and hard.

High speed synchronization between both hands takes a few years to really get under your belt, and you have to crawl before you walk.

Once you have an exercise to the point you can play it without having to concentrate much, start practicing in fast bursts. Three notes from it, then add a fourth, and a fifth, pausing between each run - this gives your mind time to regroup. It won't work if you don't have it down properly from going slow, though.

Use a metronome religiously, obviously. Also, when playing slowly, concentrate on reducing transition time between notes. Move from note to note as quickly as you can, with snap (without messing anything up or being too aggressive, though).

Finally, when going fast, don't try to pick harder, work on relaxing and smoothing out your movement. Economy of motion is key - keep your pick movement as small as possible when going both slow and fast, and use only the very tip.

Speed is a by-product of accuracy, and you have to go slow to go fast. You can't get everything right if you jump in at high speed - you have to go slow and eliminate mistakes, economize motion, etc, then it can transfer over at higher speeds, when you aren't able think it all out.

That all being said - you have to push your speed and abilities at some point, just not to the lengths where you make mistakes.
 
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Re: How to shred?

vinterland said:
1,2,3 GO! weeeedly weeeeeedly weeeeeedly woooooooooooooh!

You forgot the obligatory bend at the top of the ascending run.

Whaaaa wha wooooo waawawaawawaw warooooor
 
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Spidervenom is right on the money (and an eloquent writer). I totally agree and I tried to teach exactly that concept for more than 15 years. Practice everything as slowly as the speed at which you can play the toughest part. Playing everyday with a drum machine will keep your timing honest, but play along with CDs to help your groove, too.
Some things to keep in mind:
You couldn't make a good statement with words by reciting the alphabet forwards and backwards as fast as you can, so don't do that with scales either. Mix it up.
Learn some of the easier solos by your favorite guys and practice those too.
You can learn a lot about picking from instructional DVDs by Frank Gambale, Steve Morse, and John Petrucci, but none of those guys spends as much time talking about bending. Don't overlook your bends! There's nothing lamer than someone who can pick at the speed of light but can't hit a bend in tune.
And finally, while you're thinking so much about your chops, don't neglect your TONE! That's another pitfall of focusing on chops too much. The tone that makes it easy to shred (lots of gain, compression, treble, delay, etc) feels great in your bedroom but WILL NOT WORK with a band. Take your tone as seriously as you do your technique. Seriouslly. Every cool shred thing you play will mean so much more if you have a righteous tone.
Good luck, and rock on!
 
Re: How to shred?

All great advice.

Remember to push yourself to higher BPMs on the metronome, but then retreat to your previous masterd BPM speed. Go back and forth, that will help a lot.
 
Re: How to shred?

Matt Blackett said:
Spidervenom is right on the money (and an eloquent writer).

Thanks for the kudos :)


One other thing - something I found beneficial (and still do - I'm no Malmsteen yet :p) was to work on my left hand only initially, playing legato. You don't need a quick picking hand to improve your fret hand speed if you play legato, but conversely, picking faster means your fret hand has to go at least as fast (unless you trem-pick the same note :chairfall). If you work your left hand up to a reasonable speed first, you'll be a lot freer to concentrate on your picking hand, instead of having to worry about both. This isn't a rule by any means, just something that might help you.

And get those fingers independant - you should be able to trill well with any combination of fingers, so work on middle/pinky and ring/pinky, because those can be a challenge.

Perhaps more important than anything - keep playing music. If you start practicing shred only, you'll probably get discouraged and burn out quickly. To get to where you want to go will take time and practice, and you need to keep sight of the music for motivation.
 
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Re: How to shred?

Rainmaker said:
I knew you'd be all over this thread, Mini-friedman :laugh2:

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Sweet! Thanks for all the advice everybody. A lot of helpfull info in here. The best advice I think I've heard though is to go slow. I understand what your saying. I've just been trying to go fast and it all turns into a mess. Legato is a great idea that I didn't even think about. Get that hand going without out worrying about the pick and then throw that in later. Absolutely brilliant.

Beginner Question;

So how do you work your way all the way from the first fret of the low E string to the 24th of the high E? Do you just use patterns?

A few more informative posts like these and I believe this thread may be vault worthy.
 
Re: How to shred?

Syris said:
So how do you work your way all the way from the first fret of the low E string to the 24th of the high E? Do you just use patterns?

Basically - they range from very simple (basic four-note-per-string patterns up to the top) to advanced stuff like sweeping:

Code:
|-------0-3p0-----3h7p3---------7p0h12p0h7----------12-15p12-------15h19p15-------------19-|
|-----0-------0/5-------5-----8------------------12----------12/17----------17-------20----|
|---0---------------------4/9-----------------12-------------------------------16/21-------|
|-2----------------------------------------14----------------------------------------------|
|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|

|-24p19-------19p15-------15p12-------12p7-----7p3---------------|
|-------20----------17----------12---------8-------5-------------|
|----------21----------16----------12--------9-------4p0---------|
|--------------------------------------------------------2-------|
|----------------------------------------------------------2-----|
|------------------------------------------------------------3-0-|

When building speed, you don't want something complex like the one above, though. Find a simple, short pattern that you can repeat easily, and build with it. Make sure you have a good number of exercises, because diminishing returns set in quickly if you don't have a range of material to work with. Finally, when you reach the point where you're not noticing much improvement, mix up it - move a note onto another string in the middle of playing a lick, and make your brain jump around a bit; it prevents the exercise from becoming monotonous repetition, which really bogs down improvement.

Edit: one other thing that I remembered - when working with simple patterns, move them around. I have to watch a tendency to stick around the 7th to 12 frets on the plain strings, because the finger spacing is easiest there. It pays to work on the thicker strings too, and to play at both extremities, stretched and squashed.

Have patience, take it one day at a time, and it will come. People develop at different rates - I plateau for long periods, then make a big leap, then plateau, while some people steadily improve. Your mileage will vary. If things don't seem to be going anywhere, don't get discouraged, because it will break through eventually. Plus, if you start a lick on the 1st fret, play it over a bit, move it up one fret, all the way to the top, and back down, you'll soon find that you can spend quite a while nailing an exercise.
 
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Excellent advice SpiderVenom. You seem to really know your stuff. It's kind of funny how you say to work on the thicker strings too. I find it easier to play quickly on the thicker strings. Anyway, all of my questions have been answered. Maybe time for this thread to die? :)
 
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To Unleashthejay;

Sorry your answer is getting answered so late. Alternate picking a must? Well, I would think so. The only way that you could play quickly besides that would be to use sweeping or legato. But you wouldn't be able to trem pick.
 
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A good tip from petrucci is too play with the bpm way up, then lower it and the lower tempo will seem much slower.
 
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Alternate picking and sweep picking are a must.
To most people sweeps comes harder... sweeps: try doing it on two or three strings until you get faster then add more strings until you can sweep chords from up to bottom and back again.
And you need to learn to combine alternate picking with sweeps when you move from one string to the other.

One more thing about practicing slow or fast- I think that you need to practice slowly to get better articulation, tone etc... but after an hour of playing slow you need to practice the same things fast- even if you miss a few notes you just got to let yourself go, and next time after you practice slow try playing fast again with less mistakes... (and don't get me wrong here- you need to play slowly most of the time).
 
Re: How to shred?

SpiderVenom said:
Slowly.
S l o w l y.

S l o w e r.
and when you get to that speed, cut it in half.

the key is programming your muscles to move correctly. that happens best at slow speed so you can really concentrate on what you're actually doing. when you get your technique perfectly slowly, you'll be able to go fast.

beginning picking technique was the opposite for me, though. once you're able to consistently pick 16ths at 130-140bpm or so, you'll see what i mean. you've got to make tiny movements to play that fast. so to make sure your picking is good, practice on one string and get to playing at the speed above. practice something very simple that requires little to no left hand accuracy (like 99999999888888887777777766666666, etc) and stick to just one string. you'll get a feel for how your picking hand will need to be moving. then slow it back down again and do exercises that will improve your left hand and your ability to synch both of them together.

bottom line is this: if you practice playing things decently, you'll run into a big brick wall as far as speed, because you will have taught your fingers a way of playing that is inefficient and won't allow high speeds. if you practice playing things perfectly, you still may run into little walls, but with time you'll get over them, because your proper technique will programmed and it's just a matter of getting used to playing faster than your brain is normally thinking.

i've run into walls many times on my quest to shred. every time i wasn't able to make progress for an extended period of time, i'd slow it down a whole lot and figure out what was going wrong. once i fixed them, i would see improvement pretty quickly. speeding up more and more when you're not able to play it *perfectly* is only fooling yourself, though. if you practice something with sloppy technique, you'll never play it with anything but sloppy technique, and when you increase the speed, you'll only play it even more sloppily. so slow it down. the best way to shred really is by starting out very slowly.
 
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