HSH CONFIG QUESTION

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ratiug

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Hey All,
I am setting a guitar up with an HSH configuration. 2 Seth Lover humbuckers and possibly a 1/4 pounder staggarded in the middle. Does the middle need to be reverse wound? The seth lovers arent splittable so in switch pos. 2 and 4 it would be a humbucker and the single coil together. I am guessing it probably doesnt matter , any thoughts?
 
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RW/RP for the middle pickup is only an advantage when combining single coil pairs.

Since the Seths are not splittable, the position 2 and 4 combinations will always involve three coils. Hence, full noise-cancellation is not possible.
 
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Funkfingers said:
RW/RP for the middle pickup is only an advantage when combining single coil pairs.

Since the Seths are not splittable, the position 2 and 4 combinations will always involve three coils. Hence, full noise-cancellation is not possible.
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ok , now I understand two single coils in series will buck hum when one is reversed wound , so would three single coils in series buck hum or would there be some hum ? any strat owners with S-switches out there, is there hum when all 3 singles are on?
 
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Series versus parallel interconnection is not the issue.

Cancellation depends upon equal and opposing pairs. Three of anything will never achieve the necessary balance.
 
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Funkfingers said:
Series versus parallel interconnection is not the issue.

Cancellation depends upon equal and opposing pairs. Three of anything will never achieve the necessary balance.
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what I am trying to achieve is an HSH config using 2 seth lovers ,so I need the mid pup to be humbucking , If I put a Hot Stack STK-S2 in the middle, it should almost match the output of the SL's and in position 2 and 4, do you think I will get a stratish type sound? or at least some quack?
 
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ratiug said:
I need the mid pup to be humbucking
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Got that.

ratiug said:
a Hot Stack STK-S2 in the middle ... should almost match the output of the SL's and in position 2 and 4
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On what do you base this assertion? DC resistance stats never tell the whole story.

Speaking of whole stories, you have not mentioned the precise guitar type that will be getting this new HSH pickup array.

ratiug said:
do you think I will get a stratish type sound?
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On an actual Fender Stratocaster, with a six-screw fulcrum vibrato, some of the essence will always be there. The same pickups, fitted to a 24-fret shred stick with a double locking floating vibrato system would be a different matter.

ratiug said:
or at least some quack?
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My own taste would be for the Classic Stack or YJM Fury Neck/Middle model with their individual rod magnet polepieces. IMO, rod magnets are an essential ingredient in the percussive transient associated with traditional Fender pickups.

The 2 and 4 sounds depend very much upon how you set the middle pickup.

If you have "purist" Stratocaster pickup voicing expectations, get a vintage style Stratocaster.
 
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Upon re-reading the opening post, it occurs to me that this question is currently hypothetical and that you do not actually have any of the proposed pickups yet.

If you are starting from scratch, there has to be a good argument for buying into the Fishman Fluence thang.

You never know. Frank Falbo himself might drop in and provide some enlightenment.
 
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I have a HSH Strat that is really a HHH, used a Lil Screamin Demon in the Middle. Personally, I love the tone of a Humbucker in the Middle–great tone spot. From a theoretical Standpoint I think a single coil sized Humbucker is the best for a HSH setup...but that is just my opinion.
 
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ratiug said:
what I am trying to achieve is an HSH config using 2 seth lovers ,so I need the mid pup to be humbucking , If I put a Hot Stack STK-S2 in the middle, it should almost match the output of the SL's and in position 2 and 4, do you think I will get a stratish type sound? or at least some quack?
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Why not give the STK-S6 Custom Stack Plus a go...I have it in my ibanez with the HSH JB/JAZZ set...It really shines when in the middle position.....
 
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ratiug said:
what I am trying to achieve is an HSH config using 2 seth lovers ,so I need the mid pup to be humbucking , If I put a Hot Stack STK-S2 in the middle, it should almost match the output of the SL's and in position 2 and 4, do you think I will get a stratish type sound? or at least some quack?
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My H-S-H is actually an H-H-H using the JB/Jazz set along with a STK-S2 in the center. I find that it gives pretty good "quack" and really like it. I have it set up to split the coil too in case I want a little brighter tone. (I can also do parallel, but it's just too quiet to be usable).

If you want a single-coilish humbucking sound for your center pup, any of the stacks I've heard seem to accomplish that pretty well. You could also (as treyhaislip mentioned) use a single-sized humbucker. If you set it up for coil split, you could have the option of humbucking sound AND single-coil (of course the split coil would get you back to not having full hum-cancellation).

There's lots of options, and most of them are good... it just depends on your tastes. My advice is to listen to some of the sound samples on the S-D site and try to identify the one you like best.
 
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BriGuy1968 said:
My H-S-H is actually an H-H-H using the JB/Jazz set along with a STK-S2 in the center. I find that it gives pretty good "quack" and really like it. I have it set up to split the coil too in case I want a little brighter tone. (I can also do parallel, but it's just too quiet to be usable).

If you want a single-coilish humbucking sound for your center pup, any of the stacks I've heard seem to accomplish that pretty well. You could also (as treyhaislip mentioned) use a single-sized humbucker. If you set it up for coil split, you could have the option of humbucking sound AND single-coil (of course the split coil would get you back to not having full hum-cancellation).

There's lots of options, and most of them are good... it just depends on your tastes. My advice is to listen to some of the sound samples on the S-D site and try to identify the one you like best.
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thanks , I'll try the STK-S2 though I wont be using any taps, I am more concerned with the STK's output matching. the Seth Lovers
 
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Looks like you already took a decision but I just want to add my 2 cents.

- In an HSH with 2 SD humbuckers and 1 SD single coil like the regular SSL-1 (nor rwrp model) the single coil is already RWRP respect to the inner coils of the HBs (that is because of the way SD chose wound and polarity), that means when you use the 2 and 4 positions with auto split these positions are hum cancelling and with some quack, how good is the quack depends on the coils really.
- If you need a stacked single coil in the HSH and want hum cancelling when spliting the HB and SC in the 2 and 4 positions then you need a RWRP stacked single coil as SD stacked single coils do not have the same wiring and polarity as SD true single coils. I have found this with STK-S6 and STK-S10 so I guess it should still apply to any other of the STK-Sx family.
 
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