HSS wiring issue

Komali

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Hello
I am a beginner at guitar wiring and I have a problem: I have an offset jaguar kit with the same wiring as an HSS strat, and I have been trying to coil split the humbucker with a pull pot. So far, it hasn't worked, except for a period of about 2 minutes, where it worked close to perfect. I have tested all the parts and all the wires make connections, but still nothing works. I have attached several images: IMG_0055.jpg IMG_0057.jpg IMG_0058.jpgIMG_0061.jpgIMG_0060.jpgIMG_0062.jpg
If any more pictures are needed, just ask
If you have any ideas, or even just suggestions, please let me know
 
Re: HSS wiring issue

Welcome to the forum!

What do you mean 'it hasn't worked'? No sound? Sound, but the switches aren't doing what you expect them to do? Is it Volume, Tone, Tone?
 
Re: HSS wiring issue

While we wait back for a response about your question so we're 100% sure I'll start with a few tips since you're new to soldering. This is all in a positive and helpful manor. No as I call it on here pick measuring.

I've got a basic idea of the wiring as I've never played a Jaguar. My thing was always pointy heavy metal guitars. I just need to know about the switch. If anything I could draw you a diagram as that import blade switch was so poorly documented I pretty much made it a hobby to make wiring diagrams with it.

some tips
the green / bare wire on the push pull put some electric tape or heat shrink over it. Bare wires touching the backs of pots can result in some issues.

by the looks of it all the red wires connect the backs of the pots for ground right?

from the image "img_0060" it does not look like the push pull is grounded. The bottom terminals closest to the controls should be connected to the top or side of the push pull. Remember the entire thing is conductive and all you need is the one connection.

the first thing is to make sure after you strip the wire to twist up the exposed wire end and apply solder to the end of it. This avoids results like "img_0058" where the wire is all spread out and messy. Doing ambitious stuff like Jimmy Page wiring would be a nightmare without this. Plus you get much more stronger connections. You should be able to give a light tug to any connection and not get a wire fly off.

Next every few minutes stab the soldering iron with brass looking steel wool or wipe the tip down with a wet sponge. Don't worry you can keep the iron plugged in while doing this using either. "Brass looking steel wool" I forget the technical term as I bought a box of it so long ago. My expensive Hakko soldering iron I used every day last year still looks very new thanks to it. This prevents this hardened black substance on the tip of the iron. If the tip of the iron goes black it can be fixed. However without a silver shiny soldering iron tip it's tougher if not impossible for the iron to reach high enough temperatures. If it's a cheap hobby soldering iron and the tip is black sand it lightly with 220 or so grit sand paper. However don't rely on this as it's an emergency situation as once that plating on the irons tip goes you're going to slowly watch the irons tip fade away like a pencil.

After you clean all the junk off the soldering iron tip be sure to apply more solder to the tip of the iron. This means you'll work very easily as the iron

If your iron has a heat control. I would turn the temperature down to avoid burnt wire ends. My usual temperatures are 450f (232c) - 550f (287c). This is using lead free 0.8mm to lead 60/40 1.5mm. 450f is where I start every project and will only ever raise the temperature to 550f to more the less for pulling old wires or blobs of solder from previous work done on guitars. If your iron doesn't have one skip this step. I've done amazing work with basic 20-30w hobby soldering irons.

solder flat - this one is hard to describe but always make sure the wires ends solder flat. Never up. This creates more surface contact so less potential for the wires to be pulled off

tin most contacts. Use your discretion on this. On a build like this the only contacts I would not tin before soldering is the bottom of the push pull. That I'd push a capacitor lead (metal part you cut off) into both bottom contacts on the push pull. Besides that before any connection is made plan ahead. Backs of pots. Volume or tone pots apply solder and create a wall of it covering the contact. Then get your tinned wire and touch the top of the contact and let the wire slide through.

anyways the first place I'd give the most attention to is the switch. Any time I'd see burnt wires like that i'd pull all the old stuff off and start again.
pull the old wire out
cut the burnt end
strip and twist it
tin the wire end
tin the switch contact
and touch the iron near the switch contacts hole and let the newly prepared wire do it's job
count to 5 slowly as you hold the wire in place
if you can't tug it off once the solder cools down you're set

Good luck on your project. Those are some tips or approaches I've learned over the years and I've shipped stuff all over the world how confident I am with these techniques. I'm sure there is a ton of great videos on youtube if you're a visual learner like I am.
 
Re: HSS wiring issue

Thank you for the responses!
1. I have the pickups magnetized to an amp (no external magnets) and I get dead silence, no feedback whatsoever
2. Thank you for the tips; should I try a new selector switch (I have a spare)
 
Re: HSS wiring issue

Oh you get no sound? The 1st thing to check is if a signal wire is contacting something grounded in the cavity. Next check your solder joints. Finally, you can assess if a component might be bad. Usually, it's a pot. I think I broke a switch once.
 
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I checked both the pots and the switch, and both seem to work (I had a broken pot a while ago so I know what to look for)
But I will check the wiring connections; however I get no sound even when the pickguard/faceplate are off and no wires are touching
(also just for reference, the humbucker isn't a seymour duncan but has the same wiring colors)
One more thing: The pot is grounded, it just is a bad picture. I tested it with a electric-connection-tester (forgot what it is called)
 
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Re: HSS wiring issue

Hello
I am a beginner at guitar wiring and I have a problem:

Yes, you absolutely do.

My comments are made with kindness and helpfulness in mind, but they are going to sound very cruel and judgemental. I'm going to be only factual and straight forward in order to help you understand and avoid making the same mistakes in the future.

First of all, you really need to work on your soldering skills. You have huge globs of solder that could be causing shorts and some cold solder joints. One obvious one is on the back of your p/p pot (first picture).
I gave a "tutorial" on soldering with photos of good and bad examples a couple months ago. Please check it out. Follow the hints and you will become a master at soldering.
My recommendation at this point is to remove all your wiring, remove all of the solder globs using lots of wick...like this...https://www.amazon.com/NTE-Electron...der+removing+braid+tape&qid=1580910733&sr=8-7
Get everything clean and new looking to start putting it back together correctly (now that you've read and studied my tutorial and have become an expert solderer). After you get things cleaned up you will be ready to begin the simple task of getting you guitar wired up correctly.

What the heck do you mean by..." I have the pickups magnetized to an amp"???

Also, shadowfire90 is sincerely trying to help, and some of what he says is indeed good helpful advice, but you must ignore most of what he says.
 
Re: HSS wiring issue

While we wait back for a response about your question so we're 100% sure I'll start with a few tips since you're new to soldering. This is all in a positive and helpful manor. No as I call it on here pick measuring.

I've got a basic idea of the wiring as I've never played a Jaguar. My thing was always pointy heavy metal guitars. I just need to know about the switch. If anything I could draw you a diagram as that import blade switch was so poorly documented I pretty much made it a hobby to make wiring diagrams with it.

some tips
the green / bare wire on the push pull put some electric tape or heat shrink over it. Bare wires touching the backs of pots can result in some issues.

by the looks of it all the red wires connect the backs of the pots for ground right?

from the image "img_0060" it does not look like the push pull is grounded. The bottom terminals closest to the controls should be connected to the top or side of the push pull. Remember the entire thing is conductive and all you need is the one connection.

the first thing is to make sure after you strip the wire to twist up the exposed wire end and apply solder to the end of it. This avoids results like "img_0058" where the wire is all spread out and messy. Doing ambitious stuff like Jimmy Page wiring would be a nightmare without this. Plus you get much more stronger connections. You should be able to give a light tug to any connection and not get a wire fly off.

Next every few minutes stab the soldering iron with brass looking steel wool or wipe the tip down with a wet sponge. Don't worry you can keep the iron plugged in while doing this using either. "Brass looking steel wool" I forget the technical term as I bought a box of it so long ago. My expensive Hakko soldering iron I used every day last year still looks very new thanks to it. This prevents this hardened black substance on the tip of the iron. If the tip of the iron goes black it can be fixed. However without a silver shiny soldering iron tip it's tougher if not impossible for the iron to reach high enough temperatures. If it's a cheap hobby soldering iron and the tip is black sand it lightly with 220 or so grit sand paper. However don't rely on this as it's an emergency situation as once that plating on the irons tip goes you're going to slowly watch the irons tip fade away like a pencil.

After you clean all the junk off the soldering iron tip be sure to apply more solder to the tip of the iron. This means you'll work very easily as the iron

If your iron has a heat control. I would turn the temperature down to avoid burnt wire ends. My usual temperatures are 450f (232c) - 550f (287c). This is using lead free 0.8mm to lead 60/40 1.5mm. 450f is where I start every project and will only ever raise the temperature to 550f to more the less for pulling old wires or blobs of solder from previous work done on guitars. If your iron doesn't have one skip this step. I've done amazing work with basic 20-30w hobby soldering irons.

solder flat - this one is hard to describe but always make sure the wires ends solder flat. Never up. This creates more surface contact so less potential for the wires to be pulled off

tin most contacts. Use your discretion on this. On a build like this the only contacts I would not tin before soldering is the bottom of the push pull. That I'd push a capacitor lead (metal part you cut off) into both bottom contacts on the push pull. Besides that before any connection is made plan ahead. Backs of pots. Volume or tone pots apply solder and create a wall of it covering the contact. Then get your tinned wire and touch the top of the contact and let the wire slide through.

anyways the first place I'd give the most attention to is the switch. Any time I'd see burnt wires like that i'd pull all the old stuff off and start again.
pull the old wire out
cut the burnt end
strip and twist it
tin the wire end
tin the switch contact
and touch the iron near the switch contacts hole and let the newly prepared wire do it's job
count to 5 slowly as you hold the wire in place
if you can't tug it off once the solder cools down you're set

Good luck on your project. Those are some tips or approaches I've learned over the years and I've shipped stuff all over the world how confident I am with these techniques. I'm sure there is a ton of great videos on youtube if you're a visual learner like I am.

I really believe that you are honestly and sincerely trying to help people with your posts. And I really DO appreciate your caring attitude and willingness to help. But one piece of advice...it's better if your posts aren't so verbose.

You have lots of spare time. All of your posts are novels and waste everyone's time just reading through them. I can imagine how much time it takes to write them. Yes, sometimes you have some good things to say and your diagrams are MUCH appreciated, but you really only need to post things that you KNOW are correct. If it's not true...either don't post it or precede it with "It's my belief/understanding/opinion that...".

Anyway, it is very clear in his pic that the p/p pot is grounded (with black wire). Not very great soldering technique, but it is correctly grounded...as you had suggested.
"Create a wall of (solder)"! What the heck! Absolutely NOT. You need to read the thread I started about correct soldering techniques i posted a couple months ago. Learn how to solder correctly before advising others to do it incorrectly.

"Burnt wires"? You don't own, nor have you ever used a soldering iron that can burn wire. What you are seeing in his pics are rosin flux. In all fairness, maybe you have never used rosin core solder and don't know what it looks like. In that case I apologize for being a little abrupt.

You are like a guitar that has been wired by a first-timer...some really commendable things happening, some mistakes from lack of understanding that need correction, and some poor execution that could be improved upon.
 
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What the heck do you mean by..." I have the pickups magnetized to an amp"???

To clarify: The amp has a metal cover over the speaker (its a small amp) and I use the magnets already in the pickups to stick it to the amp. (Is that bad for the pickups)
Thank you for your help; I am new to most of this and appreciate all the help I can get

Also where is the tutorial; I cannot find it
 
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I don't know if this is the soldering thread that @GuitarDoc was referring to but it is one he started a few months ago (if you click on his name you can see his profile and recent posts/threads):

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?337640-Soldering-101-Pictures

And also this one:

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?337605-About-quot-Cold-quot-Solder-Joints

They are both GREAT resources from a true 'jedi master' of wiring questions on this forum, I would listen to what this guy says, seriously..
 
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keep the switch, very rarely do they ever break. I mean there are ways to check and see but if I was you I'd try again and see.
 
Re: HSS wiring issue

I don't know if this is the soldering thread that @GuitarDoc was referring to but it is one he started a few months ago (if you click on his name you can see his profile and recent posts/threads):

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?337640-Soldering-101-Pictures

And also this one:

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?337605-About-quot-Cold-quot-Solder-Joints

They are both GREAT resources from a true 'jedi master' of wiring questions on this forum, I would listen to what this guy says, seriously..

Yes, that 1st one is the one I was referring to. Some good info in the 2nd one as well. Thanks for finding those. Maybe they should be a sticky.
 
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Thank you very much! Looking at these pictures makes comedy out of the amount of solder I used :I
Just out of curiosity, besides causing shorts and stuff, what else does "too much solder" effect? Does it limit electrical conductivity?
 
Re: HSS wiring issue

To clarify: The amp has a metal cover over the speaker (its a small amp) and I use the magnets already in the pickups to stick it to the amp. (Is that bad for the pickups)
Thank you for your help; I am new to most of this and appreciate all the help I can get

Also where is the tutorial; I cannot find it

I still don't get it.

A "metal cover over the speaker"? What amp do you have? What is this metal cover? What is the purpose of the metal cover? And, you've got pickups sticking to the cover over your speaker?!! Doesn't that give you horrendous rattle when you play? Do they ever vibrate off and get stuck to the speaker's magnet?

That's not necessarily bad for your pickups, but it could be devastating to your speaker.
 
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Just out of curiosity, besides causing shorts and stuff, what else does "too much solder" effect? Does it limit electrical conductivity?

Not directly. But if you have too much solder, it acts like a heat sink and prevents it from flowing onto the metal. This creates a cold solder joint, allows rosin flux to get between the solder and the metal, and thus indirectly prevent a good electrical connection and conductivity. It also reduces the PHYSICAL strength of a solder joint and the wire can work its way loose or even come completely off.

The smallest amount of solder, if applied correctly with lots of heat for a very short period of time, actually is way more conductive and way, way, way stronger than a huge glob.
 
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Huh... I guess that makes sense. That would explain the (for lack of a better word) stuttery connection when I test the grounds

Also the amp is a really small battery-powered Blackstar amp, and I don't see any problems with it yet but I guess I should stop testing pickups like that :I
 
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How do you "test" pups with your speaker magnet?

I'm still not getting what you said in post #9.
 
Re: HSS wiring issue

If the pickups feed back, it works
I compare it to other pickups connected directly to the amp
Now the wiring is working but the volume is super low so I am testing your tips that you sent as well as rewriting everything
 
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