I got me one of those Japanese ripoffs

JeffB

Let it B
This one to be exact

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Looks better in person (those were the sellers pics).

Unfortunately, I've found myself in a sitch where I really gotta sell some gear. Bad stuff going on @ work, tax time comin up, had to put a bunch of $ in my truck..Xmas..you name it. Just sold my Hamer. Terry bought my 1987x. The R8 has to go back, and the faded std. and rivera are going. So with all the hype around here lately about Japanese guitars being built better, blah blha blah, I figured it was a good time to find out. The axe above cost me $699.00 plus $125.00 to ship from Japan. It got here in 3 days and was packed extremely well. Katana Guitars was great

I'll start with the bad: It's got a JB in the bridge :laugh2: Actually it's not too bad, surprised me. But I like my PAFs! This will get a set of Double creme DiMarzios of some sort.

Cosmetically the only flaw I've found (yet?) is some of the black paint from the headstock that made it onto the side of the headstock in the cherry color. The binding is absolutely perfect on the neck and the body. There is a couple of very light scratches on the back that were likely done when it was put in the box for shipping. Very minor but easy to see I think cos of the finish which is a satin Nitro. It's dull, and feels a little strange. It's smoother than the Faded Gibsons.

The top *may* be a veneer, but it does have a maple cap underneath according to Edwards. It's def not a fotoflame though as there is way too much variation/grain pattern change when you turn/move the guitar. The Mahogany is pretty grained but nothing like my R8. Still very nice.

Neck is somewhere between the R8 and the 50s production neck. Its not as deep as the R8. and more "C" shaped than the faded. The lack of fretside binding feels weird to me, though my Firebird doesn't have it either. Fretjob is fantastic..no issues at all just as good as the R8/Hamer. Ends of the frets are very smooth. Inlays look nice..one *may* be a little ****eyed...I'd hafta measure.

Nut is cut perfect. Guitar was slack for shipping. I tuned it up, and the action was SUPER low with no buzzing. Strings did not hit the bridge on the way to the stop. Intonation is perfect. Setup is really incredible, but too low for me, I raised the action, but now the strings hit the back of the bridge just slightly.I'll topwrap it to take care of that. It plays a little stiffer than the R8 anyways but not as stiff as the Faded w/o a wrap, so it should end up dang close to the R8 for "slinky" feel.

Controls seem great:quality pots, smooth knobs, etc. Toggle feels a little cheap compared to a Gibson/Hamer. The pots aren't as good for nice taper as the R8/Hamer but better than the Faded and Firebird. Tuners and hardware are quality parts..not tonepros, but Gotoh stuff is decent it seems. I' One thing about the pup covers and bridge/TP is they seem like a "brushed" nickel/chrome, almost an aged look. Kinda neat, but not sure I love it.

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I played it unplugged for a bit. I was impressed considering the cost, but felt a little disappointed at first...didn't feel like the guitar was resonating very well. So I plugged it in, and played it for about an hour. Sustain is very, very good. Not quite the R8, but better than the Faded. After raising the action, it felt much better. I just don't like super low action. It plays as well as the Hamer but not as buttery as the R8. We'll see what the topwrap does.

Then I pulled out the R8. Def the R8 has that buttery feel, but now I didn't feel like the R8 had all that much resonance either. So back and forth I went. Acoustically they are pretty similar...The R8 still beats it out, but it's not a significant difference. They both are about the same unplugged volume wise, and have similar tone. Clear, balanced.

All in all...DAMN impressive. I hate to admit it, but I told Christian & Erik and Mike, I'd report good or bad, LOL. I think where the Edwards "falls short" is in feel...despite the satin finish, it feel less like wood...less like a hand produced instrument compared to the Hamer and R8. However, it pretty much shames every Standard/Classic/Faded production Paula I've handled in past year in details/QC/finish and well as inherent tone. My CSB standard was a more buttery player, but didn't have the tone of this Edwards. Considering how much the guitar costs?? yeesh. I can understand why Gibson doesn't want these things in the states en masse...it would totally KILL their Epiphone line (Elitists or otherwise) and probably the majority of Studios/classic/standards as well.

I'd like my crow with milk gravy and biscuits please.

I'll post my own pics later in the week.
 
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glad to see you like it and posted a good in depth review. i told you these give any production gibson standard or similar a run for the money for sure and end up on top in most cases. i'm real happy with my edwards and i'd sooner sell either of my 2 other gibson les pauls before i sold it. however, i never knew the laquer top edwards were a satin like finish with slightly aged hardware, that's kinda cool.

well, enjoy it!!

-Mike
 
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and then you're going to put in DiMarzios!?! :wrf: :no1:

:sad: Sorry things have taken a turn for the worse
 
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lol Scott, quit buggin' him, i told him to do it (not the dimarzios) since i love my edwards. one day you have to check it out. despite the emgs in mine which you hate i think you'll like the guitar itself.

-Mike
 
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Ah I am bummin for him having to ditch the Hamer and the R8 but remember friends don't let friends buy Dimarzio's.

I'll have to check that Edwards you have out, I am looking to do up a copy of Steve Jones LP Custom and I might have to score one of those Edwards ones, I was going to use a Burny since Steve got the endorsement from them a while back but who knows. Cris will probably come up with the real deal when I least expect it.
 
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Nice to here the good stuff about the guitars, I can't wait till I get mine. My shoulders and arms are probably going to get tired from all the playing cause I've just got a strat to play on.
 
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Nothing wrong with trying some VPAF Dimarzios in that one Jeff......;O)
 
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Wattage said:
Ah I am bummin for him having to ditch the Hamer and the R8 but remember friends don't let friends buy Dimarzio's.

:laugh2:

Your buddy Paul Chapman din' have a problem with SuperDs and PAFs in his Firebird :D

Adrian Smith?

Dave Murray?

Space Ace?

shall I go on? ;)

That's what I'd put in it (superD/PAF) or VHPAF/VPAF.

Ahhh...well..they are just things....I was upset at first..havin to sell everything...but in the grand scheme of life, its not a big deal..

Mighty impressive..for the $ it's just plain sick. I really wish it had the fretside binding...thats about my only complaint so far (besides the JB :D)

If we can ever get together, you're more than welcome to take mine for a test run as well.
 
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grnday...this thing is actually VERY light...8.3 pounds...it's lighter than the R8. I think Katana has one up there now or on the site that's like 8.1??

John...those are def contenders..I already have the SuperD (double creme) here though...so with the money sitch, I'll prolly just grab a reg DiMarzio PAF for it..but if I get a few more things sold quickly ..who knows. Glad to hear you are liking those Vs..saw you ordered up a neck version.

gOg..yup...for the guitar itself.. yes within a dollar.....I paid $1999 for the Hamer...sold it for $1299. Shipping was $125. Packaged well though, and SUPER fast.No hardshell case tho. Gonna have to get one of those..just came with a gigbag.

BTW..this thing does have a maple cap..can see it in the cutout, and supposedly it's a long tenon as well. When I get the new pups in, I guess I'll have the guy take a gander and LMK about the tenon and if it looks like a maple veneer on top of the maple cap.
 
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That is cool looking lp copy..... sorry to hear about your low funds these days and having to sell some stuff.... I am debating weather it's time or not to unload a bunch of stuff too.... i just can't make up my mind...
 
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I am very close to pulling the trigger on an Edwards LP Custom. The anitique white one is just calling my name and after talking to Mike about Edwards and the quality I'm pretty much sold. Just gotta save up some funds and sell 1 of my guitars and it will be mine.
 
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Jeff,

it sucks a bit that you have to let some nice stuff go but that is life and we've all been there...I have heard nothing but raves about the Edwards stuff and I hope it's all true, maybe this one will become a killer player for you but I have to say...DiMarzios?! Come on bro...you said you loved PAF's...59's, A2Pro's, PG's, Seth's, Ant's anything but DiMarzios:fingersx: . You really saeemed to like the BB's...why not try and track down a set of BB's that somebody pulled out of in faver of Duncans I bet you could get them cheep!
Either way, I dig the guitar! BTW...it is a fotoflame on a solid plain maple top...looks good don't it!
 
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I bought an Edwards Custom (purple w/EMG's).
I have to agree with JeffB, it doesn't feel like a handmade instrument, but the tone and playability far out way any Gibson I've had (Custom, Standards, R7).
Even the EMG's sound good...:blackeye:

Lee Bob go for it!!
 
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the guy who invented fire said:
Jeff,
...DiMarzios?! Come on bro...you said you loved PAF's...59's, A2Pro's, PG's, Seth's, Ant's anything but DiMarzios:fingersx:

:laugh2: I know they are a bad word around here but I like *some* DiMarzios..and yeah the SuperD is not a PAF, you're right..I was just trying to be polite about the JB :D

I'd love to try *GASP* a PG set..but I want double creams , and 2 custom shop floor models w/ loose covers or whatever are gonna be outta my reach for awhile. I was gonna put the brobucker in the bird.

I really don't think it's a photo..It's too flawed and detailed for fotoflame. From the broken english descriptions, I gather it's a thin maple veneer over a (plain)maple cap. It's much better looking in person.

Another fringe benefit is the Japanese newspapers I got from the packaging. I cannot read a damn word of it, but (hubba hubba) there are some seriously gorgeous japanese women plastered all over it (fully or scantily clothed):laugh2:
 
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Nice guitar! You're giving me GAS for one....

JeffB said:
I really wish it had the fretside binding...thats about my only complaint so far

I don't understand what you mean by this... It has neck binding, so what's fretside binding?:eek13:
 
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darkshadow54321 said:
Nice guitar! You're giving me GAS for one....
I don't understand what you mean by this... It has neck binding, so what's fretside binding?:eek13:

Thanks :)

On a Gibson or Hamer, the binding runs up the actual side of the fret like this:
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On the Japanese and Korean stuff, no binding on the side of the fret, it looks like this:
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JacksonMIA said:
That's definitely a sharp looking guitar, Jeff. Enjoy it.

Too sharp if ya ask me (its really prettier in person)...I like the plaintop on the R8 better..I know..I'm weird :D

I'm home sick again today, I'll put it through the paces after the neighbors head off to work (i.e. crank my amp :D )
 
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I don't really know how it could look better in person. IMO, it looks as good as it gets! Do report how your deal with the Dimarzios comes out. I'm switching a similar setup in the future to one of my axes too, something like SD/PAF or couple of some Dimarzio pafs.

Btw, you mentioned the hardware... aren't Tonepros actually just Gotoh bridges with screws? The best tuners that I've yet tried have been Gotohs too. What do you think is wrong with the Gotoh hardware it has?
 
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