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XSSIVE

OCDologist
...and they don't have tubes!


it was time to let go of my Dual Recto (which is listed in the classified area...cheap plug LOL) and try something new. i got antsy waiting for the recto to sell and sold one of my Charvels to fund the new toys now. i'm very happy with my 3120, JMP and vibrolux so i tossed and turned about what to get to go with them. i thought about a bogner, a splawn, a JVM, a 5150/6505, a modded marshall, axe fx, 11 rack and countless other things. then i came across some threads, reviews, clips and vids on the GSP1101 and was amazed at how good a low dollar modeler by a company whom i've always turned my nose up at a bit sounded. i figured the price was low enough to try it out and if it sucked i could always return it. plus this whole rig from the GSP, ART, rack case, Control 2 foot controller and even the splawn 4x12 with V30s (i already had) cost less than the Axe FX alone so that was a plus in my book.

anyway, after doing more research i realized all the great reviews and good clips came from using it into its own power amp and shutting off the cab sims and running it into a real cab. so i went with an ART SLA2 power amp since i didn't want to actually color the tone of the unit with tubes, just amplify it and let the work the guys who designed and modeled the tube amp feel into the GSP do the tube faking. it's run in stereo into my V30 loaded 4x12 splawn (split stereo 2x12/2x12 mostly for ping pong delay). just for kicks i tried messing with the cab sims and it sounded just as bad as everything line 6 makes, boomy, woofy, hollow and just fake. shut the cab sims off and HOLY CRAP this thing is amazing! i've tried all the line 6 stuff over the years and it all sucks compared to this. i know the Axe FX is the king at 5 times the cost of this but man this has to be second best despite the low cost and not being the latest and greatest tech.

it's amazingly easy to get good tones out of it and unlike line 6 stuff when you switch to a new amp model or pedal it actually sounds different...very different. do the models sound exactly like the amps? nah, probably not 100% exact in all cases but certainly close enough to fool most people and satisfy you with loads of tonal options. with line 6 stuff i struggled for years to get one good sound and never really nailed it even using the podXT into an atomic 1x12 specifically made to make it sound more real...nope, still fake. with the GSP i've managed to make great patches using several different amp models and all of them came as easy as if i were plugged into a real pedal board and head. as seen i use my laptop to do the editing via x-edit and that makes it MUCH easier to use since there are no menus on a little screen to scroll through, if i want to change a setting i just click on it and virtually spin the knob or change the amp or pedal model...very easy and user friendly.

i'm also EXTREMLEY happy with the pitch detune feature, i set it up on a patch to drop the tuning on a guitar tuned to E down a full step to D and it tracks amazingly well and sounds as if i tuned the guitar down a full step. i was honestly shocked that works so well. now i can play Crue tunes without switching to a different guitar...sweeeeet! the wah is a little bit of a letdown, it's not bad and certainly usable just a bit stale and vanilla sounding and since i'm a wah junkie who collects them (which could also be a reason i'm a bit ho hum on the built in wah) i just use one of my real wahs into the front and it works perfect. the FX like delay, chorus, verb, phasers and flangers etc etc are all again very usable and loads of fun to mess with...the ya ya is real fun. the whammy works better than the actual whammy 4 pedal i had by far which is another plus for when i feel the need to do my Tom Morello impersonation hahaha. i updated it to the latest C48 beta software which adds lots of new amp models and it's been working flawlessly.

the only big problem i have with it is that my tube amps may be collecting lots of dust due to it hahaha.

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my tip to anyone who wants one of these...shut off the cab sims immediately and run it through a real cab and it sounds and feels like a real amp and is amazingly easy to get good tones out of. also if you aren't a fan of modeling in general due to using line 6 stuff you don't know what you're missing, this thing and everything i've heard from axe fx are on a whole new level compared to the line 6 stuff. so if line 6 is your frame of reference for the capabilities of modeling you've only heard the Kia of the modeling world and need to check out the better stuff. i was against modeling due to the line 6 stuff i fought with over the years and am real happy i decided to try something different because there are MUCH better modelers out there and this is one of them for sure!!

-Mike
 
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That is badazz! I love the diamond plate rack for the GSP and the ART.

I bought a Boss ME-70 and was sort of geeked about the preamp part of the unit, because I liked my Roland Micro Cube so much. But running that ME-70 through a PA - everything just sounds so fizzy and fake! The preamps almost sound worse through a guitar amp. Arghh! A lot like you described the Line 6 stuff. Unless I am doing something wrong... but I have tried to use it just about every which way and through a couple different PAs.

My frustration has lead me to consider the Digitech GSP1101 as a preamp. I'd love to run a GSP using the FX return of my Marshall DSL 50 as a power amp. Or at least try it out...

I wonder what the GSP would sound like direct to the PA?

Your post has only reinforced this. I just wish I could make peace with my ME-70, as generally the Roland/Boss sounds get good reviews. As it is, I just use the ME-70 for the odd effect that I don't want to buy stand-alone pedals for.
 
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i've just increased my happiness with this setup after more time with it. i decided to set up my a/b/y pedal between my main board and peavey 3120 rig and the new GSP rig and see how they mix.

after just a few chords between my 3120 and the GSP rig set to my favorite high gain patch (which is a 5150 II) i couldn't stop laughing...why???...my favorite patch i made so far on the GSP sounds so close to my 3120 rig it's scary. understandable since i used a peavey based amp model but come on, this close...i just kept asking myself that and laughing as i a/b'd between them. i'm still amazed. i honestly wasn't trying to do it at all when i was making patches for the GSP, i was just looking for a great high gain tone. i guess that just proves when you have a tone stuck in your head that you're hunting for you'll always try to get that tone no matter what you use. so not only can the GSP rig do loads of cool tones it can do a good impersonation of my main rig tone too...very cool!! don't get me wrong, it's not 100% exact but it's amazingly close.

oh and running the full 3120 rig and GSP rig together at the same time is pure tonal insanity!!! great stuff!!

the other crazy thing is that my delays matched up too, the amount of repeats the decay and the overall vibe and tone, again no idea how i did that and i wasn't trying for it either. i guess i just like delay a certain way and that's it.


eschoendorff...as for direct to a PA you'd have to rely on the cab sims and i think turning them off is what makes the unit come to life and sound real so it may work ok but through a cab is where it's at with the GSP!!

-Mike
 
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good info!

How do you like the 3120? How does it differ from the Ultra Plus?
 
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Modelling technology just keeps improving.
I think people expect too much of it tho....by running it into a pa for example. See how good a tube screamer or even a tube preamp sounds direct into a pa - pretty lame.
The real warmth comes from a power amp. The speakers are the acoustic end of the amplification process.
So, by using the modeller as a flexible preamp/fx unit and using a good quality dedicated power amp and speakers, you will get a much better result than just plugging into a pa an expecting it to sound like a marshall/fender/boogie/1x12/2x12/4x10 or whatever.
What xssive said about bypassing the speaker and amp modelling sections makes total sense.
 
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holy crap dude - try some paragraphs once in while
 
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the 3120 rocks, i'm BEYOND happy with it!! the ultra plus was the first amp i bought myself (my brother passed down the JMP which was my main amp before that) and i used the Ultra as my main amp through loads of different bands for years and it never let me down. those are IMO the most under rated amps ever, such good tones hidden in them for such a low price. so why did i sell it? i was intrigued by the idea of a similar amp (3120) with separate EQ sections for the clean, crunch and lead channels where the Ultra shares the crunch and lead EQ leaving you a bit limited. not the end of the world but one of those things you always find yourself saying "it would be nice if it was separate". so intrigued by that and the fact that the 3120 runs EL34s and the Ultra 6L6s (stock, both can run either) i decided to take the plunge and buy the 3120 and sell the Ultra and i'm happy. tones between the two certainly overlap in some areas but differ in others. the separate EQs for each channel are certainly one reason why, along with the tubes. i do miss the built in spring reverb of the Ultra which the 3120 doesn't have but i make due with a holy grail verb pedal and it's good for the slight touch of verb i use. i also miss the crazy color changing logo that lets you know what channel you're on, yeah it's a bit silly but a bit cool at the same time. overall the 3120 is certainly a step in the right direction within the legacy of the Ultra plus, XXX and 3120...they just keep getting better with a tiny change here and there.

gibson175...that seems to be the key and the thing that kills most modeling to me...the cab sims, they never sound real where in this case the preamps sound VERY good and much more real and you don't feel detached from your playing like a POD can sometimes make you feel. modeling certainly has gone a long way and i wish i would have know soon that it all doesn't suck like line 6 stuff hahaha.

Mark...nice :beerchug:

-Mike
 
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holy crap dude - try some paragraphs once in while

lol sorry, i tend to go off on rants and write like i speak and never think about that stuff as everything just flows from the brain to the keys. thanks for taking the time to let me know about that :nana:

-Mike
 
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the 3120 rocks, i'm BEYOND happy with it!! the ultra plus was the first amp i bought myself (my brother passed down the JMP which was my main amp before that) and i used the Ultra as my main amp through loads of different bands for years and it never let me down. those are IMO the most under rated amps ever, such good tones hidden in them for such a low price. so why did i sell it? i was intrigued by the idea of a similar amp (3120) with separate EQ sections for the clean, crunch and lead channels where the Ultra shares the crunch and lead EQ leaving you a bit limited. not the end of the world but one of those things you always find yourself saying "it would be nice if it was separate". so intrigued by that and the fact that the 3120 runs EL34s and the Ultra 6L6s (stock, both can run either) i decided to take the plunge and buy the 3120 and sell the Ultra and i'm happy. tones between the two certainly overlap in some areas but differ in others. the separate EQs for each channel are certainly one reason why, along with the tubes. i do miss the built in spring reverb of the Ultra which the 3120 doesn't have but i make due with a holy grail verb pedal and it's good for the slight touch of verb i use. i also miss the crazy color changing logo that lets you know what channel you're on, yeah it's a bit silly but a bit cool at the same time. overall the 3120 is certainly a step in the right direction within the legacy of the Ultra plus, XXX and 3120...they just keep getting better with a tiny change here and there.

gibson175...that seems to be the key and the thing that kills most modeling to me...the cab sims, they never sound real where in this case the preamps sound VERY good and much more real and you don't feel detached from your playing like a POD can sometimes make you feel. modeling certainly has gone a long way and i wish i would have know soon that it all doesn't suck like line 6 stuff hahaha.

Mark...nice :beerchug:

-Mike


Thanks! Ok. I have an Ultra plus and love it.. I do wish it had separate EQs, so that would be killer.. Ill have to try a 3120 to see how much diff the EL34s sound...

BTW, that is a gorgeous lookin rig you have! I think splawn cabs look amazing
 
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I've tried my Roland Cube 60 through some 2x12 and 4x12 cabs. A cheap Randall, a Mesa Boogie cab and a Marshall 1960B I think among others.

I honestly have no motivation to try and buy something with tubes in it. This amp by itself has some shortcomings that dissapear with a good cab and some pedals.
It sounds as good as anything else I've tried, ever, and if something was indeed better, it was marginally better and at least 5 times the price.
I'd love to try it with a Splawn cab or something equally awesome as that, I think I'd be even more surprised.

I think modeling technology definitely turned the corner some time ago.
 
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Nice ampline, but the Charvel sunburst is what has me drroooolin'
 
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The reports I've seen of the GSP1101 are pretty consistently positive. I'm not a rack guy by nature but if I didn't have an AxeFX I'd probably be GASsing for the Digitech.
 
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BloodRose...if you like the Ultra, you'll like the 3120 since they're similar with just slight changes between the two. enough to be different amps and do different things but also close enough to overlap in some areas. the splawn cabs are some of the best made cabs i've come across...thus why i went with them over other stuff. plus they're USA made...can't beat that!

Diego...i'll always have tubes amps but i won't be so quick to turn my nose up at modeling stuff as it comes out. line 6 stuff made me bitter towards it since i was never happy with their modeling tech but this is worlds better. i'd love to try out an axefx one of these days to see just how much better it is but at $sk for an ultra i'm in no rush for that lol.

tc...thanks!

fretburner...yeah, Mustaine and Drover used them then Broderick when he joined all into marshall power amps but then they recently changed to axeFX into marshall power amps or direct into the PA and in-ears.

aleclee...i was never a rack guy either, always a pedalboard, head and cab but this setup sure is easy to use and thanks to the x-edit software it makes it just as easy to control as a regular pedal board and amp.

ratherdashing...i wanted to get an ipad to control it since the touchscreen would be real cool to virtually spin knobs and such but sadly as of now the beta software for x-edit will only work on a PC and the beta adds so many new amp and pedal models there's no way i'm giving that up. so i'm looking for a lower price PC based touchscreen tablet i can run it on.

gibson175...thanks!

-Mike
 
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So it's all your fault that Zerb is freezing down there now....LOL.

I gig with a modeler all the time, except for the few times Fred and I decide to run the Marshalls together, mostly outdoor gigs though. Granted, my amp is 4 years old and modeling technology has advanced since then, but it's pretty darn convincing. I've played through then new Vox VT amps and they sound really great. I'm thinking of upgrading to the VT50.

I also have a Digitech RP500 and really enjoy that little unit. It's mostly for practices where I run it through the PA and for backup at gigs. I'd like to try it through a power amp and guitar cab but I can't disable just the cab sims. It's amp and cab sims on, or both off.
 
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