I need a new amp looking at rockerverb

[Whatsuphotdawg]

I currently play through a Marshall AVT 150 half stack and the tone isn't bad, decent modern tone but the problem is its just not quite enough output, just barely not enough and Id also like to go to a full tube amp anyway I'm looking at a rockverb 50 I'm just wondering is the 50 loud enough ? Should i just go with the 100? is it going to be loud enough for me even in my bands practice space, and smaller live show venues

My band is a modern rock /sludge type of rock.. also considering a Mesa Triple, or a Marshall JCM2000 dsl100.

I'm new here guys but I'd love your input.

 

[Shooter.556]

Re: I need a new amp looking at rockerverb

Oranges are pretty loud amps. I have played a few Rockerverbs and they were loud.
If it were my money and you already listed it, I'd go with a Recto. The 3 channel ones are sweet! They do everything from blues to metal and do it pretty well.

That amp is my current GAS amp.. Oranges are cool and I have a dark but they feel kinda 1 dimensional to me. There is not a lot of depth and complexity to the gain to my ears.

It's cool but it's kinda just that sound and that sound alone, If you want loud they are loud. I have a Fender EVH 5150iii 50 watt combo and it's retarded loud, the heads are equally as stupid loud.
Even on the 1 watt setting it will run you out of the room cranked on 50 it rattles the walls. They do have the tone you are looking for as well. It will do everything you are looking for and has a very Soldano SLO type gain to it. It reminds me a lot of a budget Decatone.

 

[chadd]

Re: I need a new amp looking at rockerverb

Those amps all have very different base tones and none of them really do the other tones that well. My suggestion is to find the tone that you like the most and go with that amp. I would add one suggestion to your list, though. Since you are already looking at Mesa amps, check out the Roadster or Road King series amps. Four channels, three modes per channel and you can even use different types of tubes at the same time in the Road King. They are as versatile as anything you will find on the market.

 

[dystrust]

Re: I need a new amp looking at rockerverb

I currently play through a Marshall AVT 150 half stack and the tone isn't bad, decent modern tone but the problem is its just not quite enough output, just barely not enough and Id also like to go to a full tube amp anyway I'm looking at a rockverb 50 I'm just wondering is the 50 loud enough ? Should i just go with the 100? is it going to be loud enough for me even in my bands practice space, and smaller live show venues

My band is a modern rock /sludge type of rock.. also considering a Mesa Triple, or a Marshall JCM2000 dsl100.

I'm new here guys but I'd love your input.

Watts are watts; they don't care if they were produced by a tube or solid state amplifier. Your AVT 150 will produce 150W into a 4 ohm load; if you use it with a single matching 4x12 cab (8 ohms) it'll produce 75W. This will be further reduced to 37.5W if you're using a 16 ohm cabinet. This can get somewhat fuzzy because amps are usually rated for wattage at onset of distortion, and will continue to produce more wattage (albeit with distortion) as volume is increased further. Tube amps still sound good when clipping the power section, but solid state does not; this is probably responsible for the myth of tube watts being louder. A 50W non-master Marshall for example will produce a maximum output of 70-90W when on '10' and I'd expect a Rockerverb to be comparable.

The other part of the equation is speaker efficiency. The speakers used in Valvestate cabs are made specifically for Marshall, so I can't find a sensitivity spec though they aren't terribly loud. If you're using the previously mentioned Valvestate 4x12, you're looking at 75W out of the AVT150 and the same to slightly more from the Rockerverb. Doubling amplifier power only yields an additional 3db of volume, so I'd imagine that going up 15-20W (27% at most) would yield maybe 1db of additional volume. In short I doubt that a Rockerverb would be much louder than your AVT.

If you're generally happy with the tone of your amp but not the volume, get a better cabinet. I'm not sure anyone knows how loud the speakers in a Valvestate 4x12 are, but they can't be more than 95db @ 1W/1M. Vintage 30s OTOH are 100db @ 1W/1M, so you're looking at a volume increase of at least 5db provided that you stay with an 8-ohm load.

 

[Whatsuphotdawg]

Re: I need a new amp looking at rockerverb

Not sure if that last quote is a jab at me or not but thanks for the info regardless. I admit my knowledge if tech and gear isn't the best but I've been putting in the hours on your tube trying to learn more.

 

[dystrust]

Re: I need a new amp looking at rockerverb

Not sure if that last quote is a jab at me or not but thanks for the info regardless. I admit my knowledge if tech and gear isn't the best but I've been putting in the hours on your tube trying to learn more.

I wasn't intending that post to be a jab and I apologize if it reads that way. I'm mostly trying to help someone else avoid making the same mistakes I did when I was looking at my first 'big' amp.

I'd only been playing for a few months and was jamming with some friends with the practice amp I had. It wasn't loud enough, so I went out and bought a similar amp that was twice as large. I didn't have much money, so I bought what I could afford, and it still wasn't loud enough. I was done messing around at that point, so I bought a 100W Marshall & 4x12 cabinet; that thing could rearrange shelves. I used that rig for about 5 years before things started to bug me, first the 4x12 was too heavy (so I bought a 2x12) and then the 100W head was too loud to use in most rooms. The last two rigs I used were a 1x12 combo (placed on a stand for better monitoring) and a 4U preamp / effects rack slaved into a 15W tube head & 1x12 cab. Both of these last two used efficient speakers to make the most of available wattage. I still own the big rig and I play it once in a while, but it's too big and heavy for most situations I find myself in. I guess what I'm saying is that you need the right tool for the job. We may be able to provide better suggestions if you said a bit more about where you play and who you're playing with.

 

[Whatsuphotdawg]

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Thanks a lot. That's some good advice, given me more to think about. I live nowhere near a decent Music store, but I think I'm gonna head into the city this weekend and test a few out that I'm interested in and ask some more question. Thanks again.

 

[Gearjoneser]

Re: I need a new amp looking at rockerverb

I have a brand new $1100 Egnater Vengeance I'm looking to cash out of for $700.

It's a two channel amp that will do everything you're looking for....every shade of gain from tight metal to sludgy doom, and probably the best clean channel I've ever heard on a channel switching amp. It even has footswitchable dual master volumes, so you can have your highgain rhythm and leads set at different levels. Plus, reverb on both channels with their own level. It's a killer amp, but I have a room full of amps and would rather cash out of it.

$700 plus whatever the shipping cost is. It needs nothing but a new owner.....it's hardly used so the tubes are brand new.

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

Re: I need a new amp looking at rockerverb

Watts are watts; they don't care if they were produced by a tube or solid state amplifier.

True, but tube amps and SS amps are usually rated slightly differently. With tube amps it is the output at the onset of clipping. So with the amp set to run clean its how many watts it is putting out at the first hint of clipping on a scope. For example, a 100 watt JCM 800 puts out about 105 watts with the volume knob on about 3 and about 180 watts with the volume knob on 10. SS amps are designed to not clip the signal (in the power amp) at even max output.

It is my experience that a 50 watt tube amp will dominate a 75-100 watt SS amp through the same speakers.

To the original poster; The difference between 100 watt amps and 50 watt amps are mostly head room. 50 watt tube amps are almost as loud as 100 watt tube amps, but if you need real loud cleans, get the 100 watt amp. A modern 100 watt amp will usually have a master volume so you can run it at what ever volume on stage you need. A 50 watt tube amp is usually loud enough, as long as you don't need real loud cleans. In large venues your going to be mic'ed up probably.

 

[Empty Pockets]

Re: I need a new amp looking at rockerverb

I don't know of anyone ever buying a Rockerverb and not loving it. It's the new standard heavy rock amp. Nice clean channels, dirt channel can get as heavy as you'd need. I don't need one but i'd like to have one.

 

[Whatsuphotdawg]

Re: I need a new amp looking at rockerverb

First off I apologize for being a total noob on several levels but here's the deal. I found a rockerverb 50 for 1100 canadian .. and that's locally-cash in hand. But I also found a rockerverb 100 for only a little more but it would be shipped from Texas to western canada..

I'm nervous the RV 50 won't be enough power but I'm also nervous about shipping a head (the RV100) across the country. This guy in Texas has shipped over 60 items of gear from out of his studio/label and has 98% positive feedback online.... guess I just wanna make sure this is lot a dumb idea.

 

[Christopher Caruana]

Re: I need a new amp looking at rockerverb

Id get a 5150, 5150 III or 6505 series

 

[Whatsuphotdawg]

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Yeah that's funny because I also have a 5150 II lined up for a really good price locally as well

 

[skeleton bob]

Re: I need a new amp looking at rockerverb

Go with what sounds nice. Valves/toobs sound better hands down. Get an amp that has a good clean sound all the way up to max volume. Remember that you can always mic up and go through the PA. Plus valve distortion pedals are pretty cheap, love my blackstar dual.

 

[dystrust]

Re: I need a new amp looking at rockerverb

First off I apologize for being a total noob on several levels but here's the deal. I found a rockerverb 50 for 1100 canadian .. and that's locally-cash in hand. But I also found a rockerverb 100 for only a little more but it would be shipped from Texas to western canada..

I'm nervous the RV 50 won't be enough power but I'm also nervous about shipping a head (the RV100) across the country. This guy in Texas has shipped over 60 items of gear from out of his studio/label and has 98% positive feedback online.... guess I just wanna make sure this is lot a dumb idea.

I wouldn't worry about shipping a Rockerverb from TX to Canada, they are built like the proverbial brick sh!thouse after all. Besides, they're made in the UK so every Orange in North America was shipped across the Atlantic to start with.

 

[chadd]

Re: I need a new amp looking at rockerverb

I wouldn't worry about shipping a Rockerverb from TX to Canada, they are built like the proverbial brick sh!thouse after all. Besides, they're made in the UK so every Orange in North America was shipped across the Atlantic to start with.

The only concern I would have is if you can trust the seller. I always prefer to play an amp or guitar whenever possible and will spend more for the same model if it is local.

 

[Surgeon]

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I'm a bit late to this but: money-Wise, you'll obviously have to pay for shipping but more importantly taxes upon receptiion, which won't be negligible (don't forget that the exchange rate is about 25% right now, which isn't great either).

1100$ is a great deal for a RV50 up here (I'm in Canada too). I have a Thunderverb50 and I can't imagine any scenario where that beast wouldn't be more than loud enough if I were to be miked. Withouth a PA in a huge room the cleans might not be as clean as wished for but damned if these things don't sound great and loud.