Ibanez INF1/2 ... anyone know what they're based on?

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Had a guitar with the Ibanez INF1 & 2 in it for a very long time and did not like them at all and got rid of that guitar many years ago. I just played another Ibby with these in it and it sounded a lot better than I remember.

Got me wondering what these are supposed to be based on. I have a 540SLTD that has the IBZ-USA set and have heard those are allegedly Tone Zone-based, but don't know that I ever heard what the INF series were based on.

But, I figured someone here would know...
 
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Thanks, saw that before and there isn't a lot of info there. Usually the Ibby Wiki has a lot of solid info, but apparently not on these pups. lol

I have been fortunate that my oldest Ibanez is an '02, and indeed the Wiki has decent info on it. One of the Ibanez or pickup gurus on the forum should have your answer.
 
Had a guitar with the Ibanez INF1 & 2 in it for a very long time and did not like them at all and got rid of that guitar many years ago. I just played another Ibby with these in it and it sounded a lot better than I remember.

Got me wondering what these are supposed to be based on. I have a 540SLTD that has the IBZ-USA set and have heard those are allegedly Tone Zone-based, but don't know that I ever heard what the INF series were based on.

But, I figured someone here would know...

I had a 93 S540 with S540LTD with IBZ-USA pickups. I have alternatively heard the bridge was similar to a Super 3 and a Tone Zone. I guarantee its not much like the Tone Zone because its ceramic and the Tone Zone is A5 and has "dual resonance" dmz patent. Tone Zone is more open and had more air on top. The F2 pickup is congested ceramic. Very much not like the Tone Zone, except for overall output. Tonally more similar to the Super 3, although not as hot. All this is to say the "based on" statement is just marketing, and the OEM pickups are very much their own thing.

I also bought a set of INF1/2 and single pickups to test. They are competent pickups, although I think had a bit higher noise floor than I would like (maybe just my example). Don't think they are based on anything in particular. The neck is scooped and has quite a decent sound for shredding. I believe they are mid output Ceramic. I think something like a Duncan Custom would be a rough approximation. Or maybe a Dimarzio Breed.

If you like the Infinities you can get cheap sets all day on the bay. Its actually not a bad idea if you like the sound. I think they are quite workable, except that it throws the whole notion of upgrading pickups into chaos.
 
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INF2 bridge is alnico 5 and has a dcr over 16. If you look at it it's constructed like a DMZ in cheaper form.
The INF1 is a ceramic and the dcr is over 8, so very super2, but I really don't think it's has quite the output.

Those DMZ/IBZ bridges are between a superD and a Steve Morse, and again the neck is loosely based on the super2, but I believe it comes a bit closer.
https://www.dimarzio.com/faq
 
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I had a 93 S540 with S540LTD with IBZ-USA pickups. I have alternatively heard the bridge was similar to a Super 3 and a Tone Zone. I guarantee its not much like the Tone Zone because its ceramic and the Tone Zone is A5 and has "dual resonance" dmz patent. Tone Zone is more open and had more air on top. The F2 pickup is congested ceramic. Very much not like the Tone Zone, except for overall output. Tonally more similar to the Super 3, although not as hot. All this is to say the "based on" statement is just marketing, and the OEM pickups are very much their own thing.

I also bought a set of INF1/2 and single pickups to test. They are competent pickups, although I think had a bit higher noise floor than I would like (maybe just my example). Don't think they are based on anything in particular. The neck is scooped and has quite a decent sound for shredding. I believe they are mid output Ceramic. I think something like a Duncan Custom would be a rough approximation. Or maybe a Dimarzio Breed.

If you like the Infinities you can get cheap sets all day on the bay. Its actually not a bad idea if you like the sound. I think they are quite workable, except that it throws the whole notion of upgrading pickups into chaos.

That's good info. Thank you! I have a set of Duncan Distortions looking for a guitar to call home, and I'm eyeballing a guitar with INFs in it. If I get the guitar, I'll probably still make the swap, just to hear the difference if nothing else. Without having them both side by side to compare, I'm very curious as to what the final tone differences will be...

INF2 bridge is alnico 5 and has a dcr over 16. If you look at it it's constructed like a DMZ in cheaper form.
The INF1 is a ceramic and the dcr is over 8, so very super2, but I really don't think it's has quite the output.

Those DMZ/IBZ bridges are between a superD and a Steve Morse, and again the neck is loosely based on the super2, but I believe it comes a bit closer.
https://www.dimarzio.com/faq

Interesting to have a hot A5 and a not so hot ceramic... I read somewhere on another forum that some player had swapped the positions, placing the 1 in the bridge and vice versa. Last time I tried something like that it didn't have great results, but the bridge I put in the neck slot was very hot and just ended up sounding muddy. Wonder what these would sound like that way...
 
Interesting to have a hot A5 and a not so hot ceramic...

The low dcr of the ceramic INF1 neck doesn't mean it has low output. The super2 also has a dcr in the 8 range, and it's basically the hottest neck-specific pickup you will ever find.
 
Honestly, I've considered installing the INF1 neck pickup in some guitars. Its great for shredding. It may be better than the PAF Pro which is what I have in necks of several guitars. May be hotter than Evolution Neck which I have in a coulple other guitars. I don't know the specs, but it is an interesting neck pickup for shredding.

I don't think mine has four conductor wiring, and it has the INF logo on its face which is probably why I haven't installed it.

The bridge, also competent. Medium hot output, good all around but not as distinct as the neck.

If dimarzio copied the INF1 they could market the hell out of it and get a bunch of people to buy it.
 
...and it has the INF logo on its face which is probably why I haven't installed it.

That made me LOL.

My first "real" guitar had these and the bridge sounded so thin to me, but my only comparison was a beater Roadstar that had a Dimarzio Super D in it. When I finally swapped the INF with a Duncan Distortion, the tone change was dramatic: thicker, meatier, more sizzle. With the one I just played on recently, it didn't sound thin at all - and I played it thru both a modeler and a tube amp with similar results.

With the wide gulf of opinions on these, I wonder if the QC on the INF line isn't in the Seymour Duncan ball park and some INFs have thinner wire, less winds, weaker magnets or other deficiencies depending on when/where they were made. Could be there's so little info out there on these because Ibanez just slapped the INF label on pups made by whomever was the lowest bidder for each fiscal year production run... maybe?
 
Tossed this together this morning. One is the INF, the other a set of Duncans. Played thru very similar guitars thru the exact same Axe FX rigs. First pass is both with drums/bass, then both with just drums, then both solo.

INF Pickup Comp
 
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Tossed this together this morning. One is the INF, the other a set of Duncans. Played thru very similar guitars thru the exact same Axe FX rigs. First pass is both with drums/bass, then both with just drums, then both solo.

INF Pickup Comp

One is a little brighter. I dont know which is the inf.

Sounds like difference between ceramic and A5.
 
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That made me LOL.

My first "real" guitar had these and the bridge sounded so thin to me, but my only comparison was a beater Roadstar that had a Dimarzio Super D in it. When I finally swapped the INF with a Duncan Distortion, the tone change was dramatic: thicker, meatier, more sizzle. With the one I just played on recently, it didn't sound thin at all - and I played it thru both a modeler and a tube amp with similar results.

With the wide gulf of opinions on these, I wonder if the QC on the INF line isn't in the Seymour Duncan ball park and some INFs have thinner wire, less winds, weaker magnets or other deficiencies depending on when/where they were made. Could be there's so little info out there on these because Ibanez just slapped the INF label on pups made by whomever was the lowest bidder for each fiscal year production run... maybe?

And THAT is why you buy pickups from Duncan or Dimarzio. You know what you're getting.
 
Hm, don't know whether the INFs are based on anything in particular. They've typically came in the 400 series guitars, which were Korean, later Indo, made. I feel like INF1-2 are like a more budget version of the V7-8 (which come in entry Japanese RGs). Both types have a ceramic neck and alnico bridge. In V set, some have modded them by switching the magnets around, resulting in a cleaner, less driving neck pu, and bit warmer/beefier bridge. Might be worth trying with the INF1-2.

Had an INF2 in my parts bin at one point. Made an INF/Powersound air hybrid for fun. They had nickel baseplates, iirc.

The IBZ USA, DiM/IBZ are obviously based on existing DiMarzios, but not exact copies. They'd come in more upper tier guitar models, but below actual DiMarzio or Seymour loaded guitars.
 
Hm, don't know whether the INFs are based on anything in particular. They've typically came in the 400 series guitars, which were Korean, later Indo, made. I feel like INF1-2 are like a more budget version of the V7-8 (which come in entry Japanese RGs). Both types have a ceramic neck and alnico bridge. In V set, some have modded them by switching the magnets around, resulting in a cleaner, less driving neck pu, and bit warmer/beefier bridge. Might be worth trying with the INF1-2.

Had an INF2 in my parts bin at one point. Made an INF/Powersound air hybrid for fun. They had nickel baseplates, iirc.

The IBZ USA, DiM/IBZ are obviously based on existing DiMarzios, but not exact copies. They'd come in more upper tier guitar models, but below actual DiMarzio or Seymour loaded guitars.

IN 2022, lots of mid range guitars have actual Dimarzio and Duncans. I think Ibanez is the only one still putting their own series pickups in mid range guitars.
 
The INF pickups have always been solid middle-of-the-road pickups. Their shortcomings are typically due to being built to a relatively low price point and subjectively lacking a bit of complexity and character compared to more premium offerings, but they were certainly not "bad" pickups at all.

I've actually preferred a stock Infinity neck model to a Jazz in at least one guitar and the JB only won out in the bridge of that same guitar because it had a bit more character and was a touch quieter.

The INF line was designed to be a step up from the exceedingly basic "Powersound" pickups, but they eventually trickled their way down to more entry level instruments. I don't think it has ever been confirmed that the INF models were based on specific Duncan or DiMarzio designs, but some models certainly shared specs that resembled popular formulas (ex: 16.4K with A5 similar to a JB, etc).

To be clear, the INF line (as well as the Quantum pickups soon after) was NOT made by nor designed by DiMarzio. That rumor has driven me nuts for years, but it's classic internet misinformation that got repeatedly shared until it seemed like truth. I suspect this was a result of DiMarzio's longstanding history of working with Ibanez and the fact that some of these pickups resembled popular DiMarzio's with their matte bobbins, dual rows of hex poles, etc.

In contrast to the Infinity/INF series, the DiMarzio/Ibz line was a proper premium-quality product made by DiMarzio in the USA and there were 2 iterations (in the typical 6-string format, anyways...a 7-string version based on the D-Activators was also produced).

The original "DiMarzio/Ibz" set, which was found in various higher end models over a number of years, featured a bridge pickup that was basically a hybrid of the Steve Morse bridge and a Super D. The matching neck was essentially a mildly tweaked Super 2. The second iteration of the DiMarzio/Ibz pickups was a lower output series created specifically for the SA line of guitars a couple years after the originals launched. I believe DiMarzio once told me what the SA models were based on, but I can't remember at the moment (they may have been proprietary, rather than a tweak on an existing model). You can tell the 2 iterations apart by looking at the pole pieces...the originals had dual rows of hex poles, whereas the SA versions had the standard slug/screw configuration.

Sadly, the original "DiMarzio/Ibz" pickups are some of the most counterfeited pickups out there! If you buy them secondhand, you have about a 25% chance of winding up with an authentic-looking set of counterfeits. Tip: If they don't have the white paper label on the bottom, they're most likely fake. I've seen sellers on eBay in the US, UK, and Australia purchasing these counterfeits for next to nothing and selling them secondhand: LINK
 
The INF pickups have always been solid middle-of-the-road pickups. Their shortcomings are typically due to being built to a relatively low price point and subjectively lacking a bit of complexity and character compared to more premium offerings, but they were certainly not "bad" pickups at all.

I've actually preferred a stock Infinity neck model to a Jazz in at least one guitar and the JB only won out in the bridge of that same guitar because it had a bit more character and was a touch quieter.

The INF line was designed to be a step up from the exceedingly basic "Powersound" pickups, but they eventually trickled their way down to more entry level instruments. I don't think it has ever been confirmed that the INF models were based on specific Duncan or DiMarzio designs, but some models certainly shared specs that resembled popular formulas (ex: 16.4K with A5 similar to a JB, etc).

To be clear, the INF line (as well as the Quantum pickups soon after) was NOT made by nor designed by DiMarzio. That rumor has driven me nuts for years, but it's classic internet misinformation that got repeatedly shared until it seemed like truth. I suspect this was a result of DiMarzio's longstanding history of working with Ibanez and the fact that some of these pickups resembled popular DiMarzio's with their matte bobbins, dual rows of hex poles, etc.

In contrast to the Infinity/INF series, the DiMarzio/Ibz line was a proper premium-quality product made by DiMarzio in the USA and there were 2 iterations (in the typical 6-string format, anyways...a 7-string version based on the D-Activators was also produced).

The original "DiMarzio/Ibz" set, which was found in various higher end models over a number of years, featured a bridge pickup that was basically a hybrid of the Steve Morse bridge and a Super D. The matching neck was essentially a mildly tweaked Super 2. The second iteration of the DiMarzio/Ibz pickups was a lower output series created specifically for the SA line of guitars a couple years after the originals launched. I believe DiMarzio once told me what the SA models were based on, but I can't remember at the moment (they may have been proprietary, rather than a tweak on an existing model). You can tell the 2 iterations apart by looking at the pole pieces...the originals had dual rows of hex poles, whereas the SA versions had the standard slug/screw configuration.

Sadly, the original "DiMarzio/Ibz" pickups are some of the most counterfeited pickups out there! If you buy them secondhand, you have about a 25% chance of winding up with an authentic-looking set of counterfeits. Tip: If they don't have the white paper label on the bottom, they're most likely fake. I've seen sellers on eBay in the US, UK, and Australia purchasing these counterfeits for next to nothing and selling them secondhand: LINK

Good info, Masta'C. Thanks. I have a set of IBZ/USA pups, with the middle and neck still installed in my 91 540SLTD. Never really liked the bridge pickup, and have swapped it out with a Duncan Distortion, then an Invader, and most currently an Elysian Trident II (which works the best of them all in that guitar for my tastes). After reading your reply, I pulled the IBZ/USA2 out of my parts drawer and there's no paper tag on the bottom, just a "Made in the USA" stamping in it. But, I know it's legit as I'm the one that first removed it from the guitar.
 
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