Ideal cover band axe?

sumitagarwal

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Ok, so this background isn't really necessary for this exercise, but so you know how I ended up thinking about this: I love the aggro-riff bridge tones on my Les Paul's (57 classics), and the jazzy neck tone especially on my ebony-board LP Custom.
My Strat has gloriously articulate bluesy and clean neck tones with its Antiquity Surfers. In between is my Charvel So-Cal loaded up with EMG's that I find can't truly dig in for dynamic heavy riffage, and are frankly useless for cleans. Coupled with that they're much noisier than my Gibson's, as are my Strat singles with the awful wiring in my 100-year-old home. But the Charvel plays amazingly and, with its decked non-recessed Floyd, has a surprisingly excellent unplugged tone. So: how can I get the best of my traditional guitars into the Charvel, and with low noise to boot?

This isn't really anything new, everyone and their mother has been trying to get the best of the Strat and LP worlds forever, from PRS to even Fender and Gibson. Most of the time any comparisons basically come down to "pick the one you like better". Which isn't very interesting conversation.

Instead, I thought maybe its best to frame it up outside personal taste. If you're in a wide-ranging cover band, what setup would serve you best assuming you want to nail the most common tones with authenticity but also cover most sounds well enough to get by?

Assumptions (which I could be wrong on):
* Today's signal flows make it easier to get modern sounds out of vintage pickups than vintage sounds out of modern pickups
* Low-noise is key because you never know where you'll be playing or what you'll be plugged into
* Active pickups are NOT a silver bullet for noise! This was a rude surprise for me when I got the Charvel!
* Controls should be easy enough to use in an unpredictable setting
* "Variax" is not the answer.

As a starting point I'll include this link, which to me seems like a pretty versatile and easy to use setup: Mod Garage: Strat-PRS Crossover Wiring
 
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Hmm this is a lot of ground for one guitar to cover. I would say a Jazz in the neck, either a Custom or a 59/Custom hybrid in the bridge, and then a STK-S4 in the middle. Get a blade switch and set it up to split on the in between positions, and then set up a push pull knob to activate the neck. That's my .02

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Ideal covers equipment first and foremost is a versatile amp. I saw a great covers band that had 2 Les Paul copies but both guys were running high-end modelling amps. Its amazing what you can do even with just split HH setups with that.
 
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Ideal covers equipment first and foremost is a versatile amp. I saw a great covers band that had 2 Les Paul copies but both guys were running high-end modelling amps. Its amazing what you can do even with just split HH setups with that.

For sure. I'm shocked at the clarity I can get out of my LP Custom's 57 Classic neck through my Axe-FX II, without anything in the grid other than an amp block and cab block.

But I've got this Charvel here and I really want to help it Be All That It Can Be.
 
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Its usually better to make it do a couple of things well. The suggestion of a c/59 + Jazz is good if the guitar is HH.
 
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Its usually better to make it do a couple of things well. The suggestion of a c/59 + Jazz is good if the guitar is HH.

Its HH at the moment, but routed HSH so anything goes. Pickups and wiring are currently all active, so I'd think of it as starting from scratch with an HSH-routed alder body.
 
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Wide Ranging Cover Band....well, how wide is wide? Are we talking Priest, Poison, Pantera, Vintage Sabbath, and Avenged Sevenfold....

or Buddy Holly, Beatles (Sgt. Pepper era), Zepp, Boston, Poison, Prince, Chillipeppers, Pearl Jam, Pantera....


But OK....For audiences that groove on that - the pickups don't mean crap. That's just you. The look of the guitar is more important than the actual guitar quality.

What you REALLY need is a bad@$$ ultra flexible amp and serious fx board. IMO - A POD or a Boss GP100 (or something like it) could make a 300 dollar Ibanez bone-stock work great.

But...for Wide Range? I need three guitars:
1. Strat with Floyd and HB bridge w/ Tap
2. Les Paul
3. Epiphone DOT pickups tapped.

59's will work and maybe a 59/custom hybrid for the Strat bridge to do metal.
 
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Wide Ranging Cover Band....well, how wide is wide? Are we talking Priest, Poison, Pantera, Vintage Sabbath, and Avenged Sevenfold....

or Buddy Holly, Beatles (Sgt. Pepper era), Zepp, Boston, Poison, Prince, Chillipeppers, Pearl Jam, Pantera....


But OK....For audiences that groove on that - the pickups don't mean crap. That's just you. The look of the guitar is more important than the actual guitar quality.

What you REALLY need is a bad@$$ ultra flexible amp and serious fx board. IMO - A POD or a Boss GP100 (or something like it) could make a 300 dollar Ibanez bone-stock work great.

But...for Wide Range? I need three guitars:
1. Strat with Floyd and HB bridge w/ Tap
2. Les Paul
3. Epiphone DOT pickups tapped.

59's will work and maybe a 59/custom hybrid for the Strat bridge to do metal.

Agreed that image trumps all.

Let's say mainest streamest hits overall, from classics to contemporary. Since a lot of the enduring hits have been around a long time, that already weights things towards vintage tones because that's what they had back then. On each decade after that new artists, both innovative ones and traditionalists, often end up using either vintage guitars or vintage-style ones. Even looking at 80's rock/metal a lot of those guys cut their early biggest hits with vintage-style pickups before moving onto more contemporary pickups later (and then sometimes circling back in much more recent times).

So when I'm saying super mainstream across decades, lets say stuff like:
* Zepp
* Clapton
* Beatles
* Stones
* Hendrix
* SRV
* Metallica
* Guns N Roses
* Foo Fighters
* John Mayer
* Nirvana
* Anything with a Motown sound
* Skynyrd
* Modern indie (Modest Mouse, Franz Ferdinand, Arctic Monkeys, etc)
* Modern retro (Jack White, Black Keys, etc)
* Sabbath
* U2
* Bon Jovi
* Radiohead
* Pearl Jam
* Coldplay
* Ozzy
* Oasis
* Journey
* RHCP
* Creed
* STP
I think you get the idea. Karaoke night in a college-town bar.

I think most people would be surprised how much modern metal gets made on PAF-style pickups (part of the cognitive dissonance here is that the metal most of us grew up with is no longer "modern"...). Off the top of my head:
* Cartoon band Dethklok has a lot of their stuff recorded with Burstbucker LP's
* Hipster black metal band Deafheaven is using 57 Classics
* Kylesa's Laura Pleasants showed me her Orville LP and is using 57 Classics (sludge band, so no surprises there)
* Chelsea Wolfe plays, debatably, doom metal and is using an ES-335 with 57 Classics
* Russian Circles' Mike Sullivan alternates in an LP with 57 Classics
* I think Metallica has done some of their mid-career stuff with PAF LP's?
* Mastodon used 57 Classics on a couple albums

Of course, the above basically excludes all of the technical death metal and djenty stuff going on right now, and which are most in need of super aggresive pickups

Outside of a couple of pretty specific genres which these days are a bit more enthusiast-oriented rather than mainstream-oriented, like 80's metal and contemporary technical metal, I'm not sure I'm seeing a lot of bridge tones that aren't vintage-voiced HB's. Am I wrong?

Obviously the above lists are subjectively-picked via my own familiarity, even if I don't actually like everything listed.
 
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OK - Pop to Metal across 4 decades. Yeah....


I still say Strat, LP, 335. Bonus points if there is a second guitars (Please tell me there is....). He needs a Super Strat, a Tele, and an Explorer. The Tele needs buckers that are tapped. Those six guitars will get you and the other guy through all of that just fine.


And with modern amps, a vintage output bucker will work just fine. I recently (Today) posted my P90 Les Paul through a Mesa Triple Recto model on a Roland amp. Metal as %$#$%$!
 
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* Zepp - LP
* Clapton - Strat tapped
* Beatles - 335 and Strat or Les Paul
* Stones - 335 and Tele
* Hendrix - Strat, tapped
* SRV - Strat tapped
* Metallica - Super Strat + LP or Explorer
* Guns N Roses - 335 and Les Paul
* Foo Fighters - Whatever
* John Mayer - LP or Strat, depending
* Nirvana - Strat
* Anything with a Motown sound - Strat and 335
* Skynyrd - LP and Explorer
* Modern indie (Modest Mouse, Franz Ferdinand, Arctic Monkeys, etc) - Don't know
* Modern retro (Jack White, Black Keys, etc) - Don't care
* Sabbath - LP and Detune Pedal
* U2 - Which song? Let's go explorer, maybe explorer tapped
* Bon Jovi - SUperstrat and Les Paul
* Radiohead
* Pearl Jam - LP and Strat
* Coldplay
* Ozzy - LP or SuperStrat
* Oasis - 335
* Journey
* RHCP - which guitar player?
* Creed
* STP - Cherry Sunburst 78 Les Paul w/ Super Di.....sorry. Les Paul.
 
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* Zepp - LP
* Clapton - Strat tapped
* Beatles - 335 and Strat or Les Paul
* Stones - 335 and Tele
* Hendrix - Strat, tapped
* SRV - Strat tapped
* Metallica - Super Strat + LP or Explorer
* Guns N Roses - 335 and Les Paul
* Foo Fighters - Whatever
* John Mayer - LP or Strat, depending
* Nirvana - Strat
* Anything with a Motown sound - Strat and 335
* Skynyrd - LP and Explorer
* Modern indie (Modest Mouse, Franz Ferdinand, Arctic Monkeys, etc) - Don't know
* Modern retro (Jack White, Black Keys, etc) - Don't care
* Sabbath - LP and Detune Pedal
* U2 - Which song? Let's go explorer, maybe explorer tapped
* Bon Jovi - SUperstrat and Les Paul
* Radiohead
* Pearl Jam - LP and Strat
* Coldplay
* Ozzy - LP or SuperStrat
* Oasis - 335
* Journey
* RHCP - which guitar player?
* Creed
* STP - Cherry Sunburst 78 Les Paul w/ Super Di.....sorry. Les Paul.

Obviously John Frusciante ;) So that's... Duncan-loaded Strat.

I used to have a 335, but not anymore. Nice guitar but honestly I think that, image-aside, it mostly overlaps with LP's. If I wanted a little Gibson variety I'd rather go LP + ES-175... which is exactly what I have these days.

For your above annotations I think just as important or interesting is: neck, middle, or bridge? I'm thinking 60%+ on the Strat side its neck or middle and 60%+ on the LP side its bridge. Seem accurate?
 
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Classic Stack STK-S4 in neck and middle connected to the 1st tone knob, Screamin Demon bridge connected to the 2nd tone pot. Use a five-way super switch so you get neck+bridge in the 3rd position. An extremely versatile setup with some fantastic sounds to boot!
 
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I used to work for a cover band that did classic rock, pop from four decades, funk, modern rock... they covered a lot of ground. The guitarist used an old Ibanez Artist on the neck pickup almost all night. He had a Mesa 1x12 combo, a Roland JC-120, a Fulltone wah, a TS-9, and a rack unit for reverb and delay. A few years in, he switched to a PRS Custom 24, and dropped the rack in favor of a Danelectro delay.

Whether he was playing “Piece of My Heart”, “Brick House”, “Zombie” or “Rock and Roll”, his tone worked. I never saw him switch guitars (he never brought a second) and very rarely did he even switch pickups. They played all the time, and no one EVER complained about his tone being inauthentic.
 
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For pop rock metal (not so much metal but) across 4 decades I'd use a 1950's spec Telecaster, because that's what I used for more than 10 years for just such a setlist. Plenty of shielding, much quieter than strats, bold bridge that can do twang or get into humbucker thick territory. None of the music would be stellar or dead accurate, but close enough the average listener would enjoy.
 
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I have a few ideas for versatility.

option 1: bare knuckle juggernaut set (optional: duncan custom shop stra-bro 90 in the middle)

option 2: duncan p-rails set (again, optional: duncan custom shop stra-bro 90 in the middle)

option 3: fishman fluence classic or tosin abasi set w/single width middle pickup for hsh (I normally dont advocate for actives in general, but fishmans are becoming sort of know for versatility with the whole multi voice thing)

Just my thoughts
 
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I second a telecaster. It'll cover a wide range of music depending on your setup. Sentient/59-custom will cover a lot of ground. If you want more convincing single coil tones, go for a p90/humbucker setup.

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Hrm, I really should have named this thread "Ideal cover band pickup arrangement/wiring" instead, since that's really what I meant more than comparing specific guitars.

Anyways, assuming suitably low-noise singles, does anyone think HSS is better or worse than HSH for covering hits over multiple decades?
 
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Hrm, I really should have named this thread "Ideal cover band pickup arrangement/wiring" instead, since that's really what I meant more than comparing specific guitars.

Anyways, assuming suitably low-noise singles, does anyone think HSS is better or worse than HSH for covering hits over multiple decades?

go hsh cause u can always split it
 
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go hsh cause u can always split it

How heavily do you think that would compromise neck single-coil tone?

Currently I'm thinking the most iconic/prevalent tones are:

1) Bridge humbucker (LP treble position)
2) Neck SC (Strat/Tele neck position)
3) Neck SC + bridge SC (Tele middle position)

Seems like those three sounds would cover most stuff. You could use a split HB in the neck, but are neck HB tones really used that much compared to neck SC tones?
 
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