Installing humbuckers - it's 500k and .022, right?

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I received both pickups for my Telecaster today. The Pearly Gates Tele (single-sized humbucker) and the Pearly Gates full-size neck humbucker.

But the wiring diagram that came with the PG Tele lists 250k pots and a .047 cap.

I ordered 500k pots and a .022 cap. Won't 250k on humbuckers be a little too dark?

Any help is appreciated. Thank you.

PS: I called customer service but haven't heard from them - which I expected with everyone working from home.
 
Re: Installing humbuckers - it's 500k and .022, right?

When mixing pickup types, there are no rules. I'd say///experiment! The PG are on the bright side anyway, so maybe in that guitar, they will benefit from the 'darker' values. You never know here, so I'd just replace one part at a time and listen.
 
Re: Installing humbuckers - it's 500k and .022, right?

id start with the 500k
 
Re: Installing humbuckers - it's 500k and .022, right?

It's a matter of personal preference and other characteristics of the guitar, but for your setup I would start with 500K and .022uf.
 
Re: Installing humbuckers - it's 500k and .022, right?

It isn't so much about humbucker vs. single coil, but about brightness vs. darkness, and also about how you want the controls to work.

Humbuckers tend to have less snap in the high end, so most people like to let them breath a bit more on the top end...i.e. 500K or 1M pots. The idea is that you mostly run your pots on 10, and you choose the pots that give you the right amount of treble there.

But you can use high valued pots on single coils to great effect. Look at the Fender Jazzmaster and Jaguar. The concept on those is that you provide an excess of brightness – the full tonal palette that the pickups have to offer. Then you dial it down using your knobs. Standard knob position with this approach is down from 10, not dimed – by design. It's kind of like an active electronics onboard control philosophy, but with passive electronics.

In other words, IMO you can't go too wrong by leaning higher in value. You can always remove high end as needed. But you can't add it if it isn't there to begin with.

I would go with 500K or 1M with those pickups, to let them fully breathe. If it's too much, just bring them down a bit with the onboard knobs. Even if you don't normally use it, you will find the extra treble that is available on tap to be useful if you ever get into high levels of distortion.

The cap determines which frequencies you pull down when you roll off treble. The lower the capacitance, the higher the frequency cutoff is. I find stock values are usually too high for what I like in a tone control. I usually half capacitance from stock as a matter of course, and sometimes quarter it in the end.

My go-to controls for darker pickups (i.e. Gibson style) are 1M linear with .01 uF caps. My go-to controls for brighter pickups (i.e. Fender style) are 500K linear with .022 uF.
 
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Re: Installing humbuckers - it's 500k and .022, right?

With the volume control, there is a 'permanent' change that occurs with value and tonal shift. Its the entire pickup response that changes....but especially the high end. The volume pot and the pickup interact in the passive circuit.

The tone pot, however, is a simple low pass filter. So the value of the pot (either at maximum or any point below) just determines the amount of highs going to ground. So a 500k pot rolled down to 7 or 6 (approx where it reads 250k) is the same amount of bypass as the 250k pot at full.

So in short, there is no downside to putting a high value in the tone position, but the volume position requires more experimentation.
 
Re: Installing humbuckers - it's 500k and .022, right?

I really appreciate the info, everyone. Thank you for taking the time to walk me through it.

Also - props to Seymour Duncan's tech support. Their guy called me and chatted about this with me as well.

I'll get this all assembled and let you know how it turns out.
 
Re: Installing humbuckers - it's 500k and .022, right?

In my Silvertone Strat clone, I installed 500k pots and the .047 cap that came with my CTS pots from True Custom Shop on Reverb. The pots themselves all measured 525k exactly, as well. I can't say whether I like that over a .022 cap, though, because I didnt have one to test. I can say that after watching a demonstration vid on YouTube where somebody installed alligator clips for a quick change method of installing the cap, then swapped in multiple caps ranging from .022 or less to more than .047 and the difference from .022 to .047 was something I could live with since I also have 2 single coils in the middle and neck positions.

You may want to try both and see which one you like better before making a definite decision. You could even use a couple of wires with alligator clips at each end to facilitate easy swapping until you're ready to solder one in for good. To my ear, my 8.2k PAF-clone hb sounds great. But I'm a newb, still, so take it for what it's worth.
 
Re: Installing humbuckers - it's 500k and .022, right?

My Epi Wildkat P90' equipped guitar;

is the first guitar I've ever owned,

where I can use the tone control to shape the sound in a musical way,
just not making it "more muddy".

(I'm not sure of what value pots and caps are in this guitar)

But the P90's are really loud and bright with all knobs on "10",
and benefit alot from turning down vol/tone knobs :)

-Erlend
 
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