Invader set or duncan distortion mayhem on flying V

[Joshua340]

Hi guys i habe a schecter hellraiser v-1 flying v specs:
Body Style: V
Construction: Set-neck with Ultra Access
Body: Mahogany
Neck: 3-piece mahogany
Scale length: 25.5"
Fingerboard: Rosewood
Frets: 24 extra-jumbo

Im looking for new Pickups, i play all kinds of styles from rock (motörhead,guns n roses, jimi hendrix) to metal (metallica, system of a down, megadeth, galaktikon, dethklok)

I cant decide between the invaders and duncan distortion!
I want something that gives my guitar a Warmer and fatter tone but at the same time a really clean sound in drop and higain songs.


Ive heard that the invader would sound muddy in a mahagony guitar, but how would it sound in a V its still mahagony but it has not as much wood as a les paul.
I think that it would give a V some extra bass and mids.

The sh-6 would be my first choice but i think that it would simply sound to aggresive and woul have to much hights in my guitar

I also ask my self how the sh-6n and the sh-8n sound i did find a lot of demos for the bridge but non for the neck versions of these two

Please share your oppinions and your experience with these two sets

Sorry for my english im german.

 

[Clint 55]

Re: Invader set or duncan distortion mayhem on flying V

Welcome to the forum.

I actually just put an Invader neck in my guitar and it sounds great. Nice and big and warm but with grit too. And I actually have the Distortion on the way for the bridge! So I'll be able to have a big sound with the Invader and a clear sound with the distortion. You might like that set up too. And especially if you can't decide between the two. Or you could get the Distorion neck and Invader bridge.

Invader: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHg2NUag6Hw Big and warm
Distortion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f-LXtRYBIo Tight and dry

 

[allstarrme]

Re: Invader set or duncan distortion mayhem on flying V

I would look at the black winter set, the invaders have a hide mid bump in the eq, have woolly lows and muted highs. The neck invader does not sound like a neck pickup.

The distortion set is good but the neck is still very high output, the black winter takes the distortion set one further, but also has really good cleans and splits well.

I think the bridge black winter is just a distortion with the triple ceramic magnet of the invader, or an invader with regular poles instead of giant cap head screws.

 

[Thundermtn]

Re: Invader set or duncan distortion mayhem on flying V

Distortion bridge / Black Winter neck

Or

Nazgul & Sentient set

Or

Pegasus bridge / Black Winter neck

I'm in the same boat with a similarly constructed V. Kind of a dark sounding axe. The LP has a maple cap to help brighten it up, each V can be it's own animal on tone.

 

[Thundermtn]

Re: Invader set or duncan distortion mayhem on flying V

Welcome to the forum.

I actually just put an Invader neck in my guitar and it sounds great. Nice and big and warm but with grit too. And I actually have the Distortion on the way for the bridge! So I'll be able to have a big sound with the Invader and a clear sound with the distortion. You might like that set up too. And especially if you can't decide between the two. Or you could get the Distorion neck and Invader bridge.

Invader: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHg2NUag6Hw Big and warm
Distortion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f-LXtRYBIo Tight and dry

Post up when you get the DD in, it's high on my Gibson V try list. I bought the gothic after seeing Static-X back in the day and Wayne had awesome tone with it, figured out later he was running a pink custom shop distortion in the bridge.

 

[Clint 55]

Re: Invader set or duncan distortion mayhem on flying V

I will. Cool story! Wayne was a really unique alt metal artist. I can definitely see how the Distortion would fit his sound.

 

[EDX]

Re: Invader set or duncan distortion mayhem on flying V

acoustically the v sounds dark, middy or bright?

a dimebag set or mayhem set can do all you want, but being specific is always better

 

[ToastyMagician]

Re: Invader set or duncan distortion mayhem on flying V

Get some invaders and then put set hex screws in it, that way you get the best of both worlds... I haven't tried it myself yet but i have a set of screws in the post and i've read that it tightens up the bass response but keeps the grit (i have a set of invaders that sound muddy to me). Also its a pretty easy mod where you can say "built not bought"

 

[Joshua340]

Re: Invader set or duncan distortion mayhem on flying V

acoustically the v sounds dark, middy or bright?

a dimebag set or mayhem set can do all you want, but being specific is always better

Acoustically it sounds very dark agressive,With a lot of mids , sound wold be like the new exodus records becase gary holt uses the same just with floyd rose

 

[Joshua340]

Re: Invader set or duncan distortion mayhem on flying V

The sentinent nazgul set sounds good

From the tone profile the nazgul seems to bee a sh-6 wit little less output, and the sentinet would be a hybrid from the 59 neck and the jazz.

Still is it possible to get some kind of system of a down like rythem tone and some dimbag or randy rhodes/ dimebag/synyster gates like lead sounds

 

[jonsick]

Re: Invader set or duncan distortion mayhem on flying V

I have had really bright sounding and really dark sounding mahogany body'd guitars. I would say though that if your guitar sounds dark, an Invader is not what you want. However, if it sounds generally quite bright then the nice low end chunk of mahogany means the Invader will sound god damned amazing.

I'm not a major fan of the Duncan Distortions. I find them too harsh for almost anything. I like more rounded metal tones.

In terms of high output in mahogany, I'm still a major EMG 81/85 fan. I have no idea why they have fallen out of favour so much these days, but I still love them. If active is a no go, consider the Duncan Custom in the bridge. It sounds excellent in mahogany body guitars.

 

[Mincer]

Re: Invader set or duncan distortion mayhem on flying V

I think the Distortion in the bridge, certainly.
As for the neck, I might consider something a little more mild...maybe a Sentient, or a Jazz. The more open sound can counteract the mids/lows in the huge mahogany body, too.

 

[Joshua340]

Re: Invader set or duncan distortion mayhem on flying V

I have had really bright sounding and really dark sounding mahogany body'd guitars. I would say though that if your guitar sounds dark, an Invader is not what you want. However, if it sounds generally quite bright then the nice low end chunk of mahogany means the Invader will sound god damned amazing.

I'm not a major fan of the Duncan Distortions. I find them too harsh for almost anything. I like more rounded metal tones.


In terms of high output in mahogany, I'm still a major EMG 81/85 fan. I have no idea why they have fallen out of favour so much these days, but I still love them. If active is a no go, consider the Duncan Custom in the bridge. It sounds excellent in mahogany body guitars.

The guitar it self sounds pretty dark maybe its just the emgs it comes with 81tw and 89R didnt really find a tone profile for them but it sounds pretty dark and with lots of mids like slayers tone but it dosent have a lot of bass

 

[Joshua340]

Re: Invader set or duncan distortion mayhem on flying V

What are the majore tone differences between the nazgul, sh-6, black winter bridge, and the pegasus?

 

[Thundermtn]

Re: Invader set or duncan distortion mayhem on flying V

In terms of high output in mahogany, I'm still a major EMG 81/85 fan. I have no idea why they have fallen out of favour so much these days, but I still love them.

Same here, they are a little more one dimensional in their tone profile than my other stuff but I love the sound and A LOT of my favorite guitar tones/albums were made with them. I'll never be in a position where I don't have something loaded with a 81/85 set. Some songs just need them.

 

[Johnny the Kid]

Re: Invader set or duncan distortion mayhem on flying V

For a mahogany guitar, I'd go with the Distortion set, but that's because I've had mahogany guitars with the DD set in them.

 

[EDX]

Re: Invader set or duncan distortion mayhem on flying V

if it's really dark then i'd go with a dimebag set, as a dimebucker is what i did go with my v, which even when it's a bolt on and has a maple cap is really, really dark with strong mids

 

[Aceman]

Re: Invader set or duncan distortion mayhem on flying V

Given the sets you asked about - Distortion.

Can't speak personally about Black Winter, but that BWn and DDb sounded very interesting.

And the Jazz/DD or even 59/DD are great combos.

 

[Clint 55]

Re: Invader set or duncan distortion mayhem on flying V

Post up when you get the DD in, it's high on my Gibson V try list. I bought the gothic after seeing Static-X back in the day and Wayne had awesome tone with it, figured out later he was running a pink custom shop distortion in the bridge.

I got the Distortion in. I also added 2 ceramic magnets, which weren't the same dimensions as the Invader spacer magnets, but I got it to work with the big ceramic in the center. I got it plugged in and hit a chord and it was just silly huge LOL. It's articulate too.

 

[Thundermtn]

Re: Invader set or duncan distortion mayhem on flying V

Just when I was pretty sure on a Pegasus b / Black Winter n. The only thing that made me double think the DD was that the Pegasus was designed for more clarity, and I'm down a step and a half so clarity is important. Time to start watching for both used and A/B them. Thanks for posting that up.

Does it do well on hearing all the notes in a chord?