Is it True that MAC is the Way to Go when Wanting to Record via Computer?

Re: Is it True that MAC is the Way to Go when Wanting to Record via Computer?

I've never had a Mac so I can't comment on the subject. They certainly look cool though.
 
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vinterland said:
Both pro tools versions run on pc's


Serious? Damn. I thought HD was Mac only.
 
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ProTools HD is supported by Windows XP with service pack 2 installed but a basic HD system starts at just about $10K. I have been in several HD studios including a new $5m install here in Detroit and none of them ran a PC, all had new G5s in them. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

I ran my ProTools rig through a PC before I bought me Mac and it does work but not nearly as nicely and you lose quite a bit of flexability because XP does not support many of the OSX shortcuts and options available with OSX.

There are many recording solutions and some nice hardware/software available for PC users but ProTools was really developed to work with the Mac OS. It's the way that the hardware and software integrates and works together that makes the Digi and Mac combo work so well together.

I'm not trying to slam anyones choices, just sharing my experiences both in the home studio as well as in some nice production houses.
 
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Wattage said:
Fighting over PC vs. MAC is so ultra-geek it's scary.

Pick the platform you understand and "get" and build a real good machine. Recording machines are or should be purpose built and ideally that is their sole use.

Speed, memory, the fastest HDDs you can afford, quality I/O and a good recording program. The program is probably the easiest part of the equation. Make sure you decide what program you want to use first and then buy completely compatible computer gear, it'll save you from shooting your brains out.

IMO unless you are real savvy with computers, extremely patient and pretty phat in the tech gear you are probably better off with a standalone recorder then just dump the tracks to a good computer setup for mixing.

That's the first bit of solid advice I've seen on this thread!

The Mac vs. PC debate is so freakin' old that it doesn't hold water anymore. You need to pick the software first...then your audio interfaces and let the rest of it roll from there. Who you're exchanging files with is a big consideration too. If all your buddies are using DP on a Mac then you probably shouldn't buy Sonar on a PC because you'll encounter headaches along the way. If everyone is using something different then it doesn't matter, get the program & platform that YOU want to use.

Back in the day...like early '90s...the Mac WAS the only way to go if you needed something that was stable and you actually wanted to get work done. The first program that worked out of the gate was Sound Tools, a 2-track version of PT and gawd was it painful in hindsight but it was sooooooo freakin' kool at the time. From there it morphed into Pro Tools, 8-tracks IIRC at around $12K (my how the prices never seem to change!) and today's PT systems work on the same principle, a hardware & software package that are dependent on each other AND the computer to run. The first systems were Mac only, there was a PC version but it was buggier then the Mac versions. After a while people started developing PC systems like the Layla card, Cakewalk etc. but they were semi-pro at best.

Today...almost 15 years AFTER that 1st system saw the light of day, there's plenty of great native hardware & software solutions that run well on a Mac OR a PC. Earlier this year I replaced my super old DAW (I ran a 2” 24-track for a long time, still have it!) with a whole new system and went with a PC. Partly because I’m familiar with them, and partly because it’s way cheaper. Also, there’s some developments on the Mac horizon that are a little scary, namely them moving from proprietary processors to Intel chips. The initial reports from beta-testers were ugly, existing stable software would crash & lock up, lots of bad mojo there and it was sounding like Apple & ALL the other companies (Motu, Adobe, Avid, etc) were going to have to rewrite drivers and patches if not develop entirely new products to run on Apples and really…that could take YEARS. The real key to having a stable system is to dedicate it to that purpose...don't use your music computer as a general computer because it will bite you at some point, usually when the project is at critical mass...like two days away from mastering or when you have $10K in rental gear sitting there for a tracking session.

The only thing I can really recommend is that if you don't NEED Pro Tools, don't buy Pro Tools. There are too many equivilent programs out there that cost less to get into and you won't have bought a ticket on Digi's runaway train of perpetual upgrades. Plus, sorry to say it...but the stuff doesn't sound that great. The Motu interfaces aren't much better but at least they're a lot cheaper AND you have the ability to upgrade the hardware & software independently of each other.
 
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J Moose said:
Plus, sorry to say it...but the stuff doesn't sound that great. The Motu interfaces aren't much better but at least they're a lot cheaper

I know nothing is going to sound like an apogee A/D but cmon. I have yet to find a better sounding portable interface than an m-box and the motu 828/896/traveler interfaces always impress me.
 
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vinterland said:
I know nothing is going to sound like an apogee A/D but cmon. I have yet to find a better sounding portable interface than an m-box and the motu 828/896/traveler interfaces always impress me.


I have to agree. The MOTU 828's sound killer to me.
 
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Pecan said:
I dont mean to be annoying, but most of what you guys just said is complete crap. I'll admit most of you guys know more then guitars then me, but...
For starters, Mac processors are actually a lot slower then Intel processors... let alone AMD processors. The fastest mac cpu isn't even close to the fastest intel cpu. And if you really want power, AMD are quite far ahead of both companies. AMD Athlons do run windows to by the way. As for virus.. if you really have a problem with them, use linux, neither windows nor mac os X are free of them, linux basicly is. Thats just a stupid situation though, first of all, if your going to be using a computer for a DAW then you shouldn't really use it for other stuff.. but if you have to, then just get a virus protector like mcaffe enterprise, its a lot better then norton. Norton is completly usless, i have mcafee and i cant get a virus if I try. As for audio recording programs, both operating systems have great choices, you don't need to worry about that, the only trouble you'd have with finding the right software is if you chose linux. And specs you'd want at least
-1GB of ram, i'd suggest 2GB
At least 2GHz equiv CPU
200GB hard drive
a decent audio interface card
and If you really wanna run a lot of plugins and effects while recording I'd suggest a new dual core CPU, forget running 64-bit system, no point, buying one is great value, but you won't be able to find the software for it if you wanna run it as 64-bit.
Oh and one more thing... Mac are so behind in the CPU market they've actually given up and are now going to start using other companies processors. So whoever said "Mac processors are faster..."

Sorry for the rant

Here we go, words of wisdom from a 16 year old...

Too bad he is stuck on the CPU clock speed and does not pay a lot of attention to other things that really count...

Like crash free programs make for processing audio....

MAC is the way to go...
 
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chopstherocker said:
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Check our MySpace profile out for some samples.

The songs from our EP were recorded on a Mac laptop using garage band. This was done in my living room. I've recorded with 4 tracks, PC's Mac's. I find the Mac to give me the best results, and it's the most user friendly.

Hey, thats my living room too, you wanker. :laugh2:

I'm not too computer-savvy but i CAN say that with my amateur skills and limited experience that Mac was much easier to work with. I'm sure that once I get better with hardware and software applications that I'll be able to make both systems bend to my will but for now Mac works best for me.
 
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I'm pretty sure one of my friends told me there was a linux distro dedicated for audio and video editing, recording etc. That was a couple years ago before I was interested in recording my bands stuff.
 
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vinterland said:
I know nothing is going to sound like an apogee A/D but cmon. I have yet to find a better sounding portable interface than an m-box and the motu 828/896/traveler interfaces always impress me.

Well I guess that's the problem. On one hand we're talking about a full-blown PTHD rig that costs $3k+ per 8 channels of A/D and that IS in Apogee/Lavry territory. In that range the converters better sound great but they don't. Cymbals are like nails on a chalkboard, depth & dimension get stripped away...dirt guitar? Forget it! Going through something like a Lavry/Mytek or the new higher end Apogees life is good...and it's the same money as a PTHD box.

On the low end, yeah...the MBox doesn't sound bad for $400 but it's identical to the high end boxes and that's the root of the problem. In my case I needed at least 32 channels of D/A to feed a large format console...in PTHD land that's about $10K right there. I bought a Motu 24I/O and 2408MkIII and the total was at or under $2200, hell...the whole rig including a kick-ass rackmount 3-gig P4 with a gig of RAM, LCD monitor and moving fader control surface was under $7K! And I exchange files with PT lemmings, I mean users all the time with no issues. If I went with PTHD I'd have spent around $25K for a rig that's equally capable.

It's a sliding scale and really, spending more money doesn't mean more performance. You can get a lot of work done on a simple rig, Mac or PC...it doesn't matter anymore. Pick 'yer software & then pick 'yet platform. But really, one things for sure. As good as stuff like the Motu 828's and all the bus-powered stuff is...you can't underestimate the importance of the power supply as it relates to the A/D. If you step up to something that has a dedicated supply it will sound better. Maybe not night & day because like anything else, it's game of inches but the difference is there and it is noticeable.
 
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greendy123 said:
I started looking into some programs for linux if you really want stability in recording. Here's some sites to look at if your interested. http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
http://lmms.sourceforge.net/home.php
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1511

I think all these are free, some are for just for linux or linux/windows pcs, but real problem is what recording hardware works with linux.

If you want to go the linux route, find the book on the topic by Dave Phillips. Should be available at amazon/barnes and noble. He spent over a year putting the book together and is probably one of THE authorities on the planet considering how few actually pursue the linux path for audio.
 
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J Moose said:
Well I guess that's the problem. On one hand we're talking about a full-blown PTHD rig that costs $3k+ per 8 channels of A/D and that IS in Apogee/Lavry territory. In that range the converters better sound great but they don't. Cymbals are like nails on a chalkboard, depth & dimension get stripped away...dirt guitar? Forget it! Going through something like a Lavry/Mytek or the new higher end Apogees life is good...and it's the same money as a PTHD box.

I agree, apogee owns the high end converter market and a lot of stuff just isn't up to par with them when they should be for the price.
 
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fender or gibson?
 
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