Is there a such thing as pickups being to high?

papersoul

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I ask this question because Jim Wagner (great guy by the way) mentioned that he keeps his pickups at about 1/8" or further from the pickups to reduce Wolfetones and tuning issues. with my Gibson, I liked the BB Pros at about 1/16" or closer......maybe 1/32". Is this odd that I like them this close??

I see some companies like Dimarzio use a teqnique to reduce the pull on the strings hence causing less issues.

Rich
 
you can be too close.

how close is too closedepends on the magnetic strength of the pup. there is another thread on this some where
 
This is a particular problem with vintage style strat pickups. Since the magnetic field is so stron on some of these pickups, they have been known to pull strings out of tune, especially the wound strings, and especially in the upper registers of the instrument.
 
I don't know what it sounds like in your guitar, but at 1/32" the Custom 5 would be really harsh & trebly in my Strat. Don't you find your pick and/or the strings actually hitting the pickup at that height?

After fooling around with the height a fair amount, it's set at about 3/32 treble side, 4/32 bass side with the poles raised just a touch. But that's my guitar, my set up, and my ears.

1/2 cent tonite ;)

Chip
 
I have my C-5 as close as I can get it to the strings. I had to adjust the low 3 screws on the pickup, though. Alot on the low E, and a little on the D and A strings. Now it's a low end monster with some killer rock treble and mid to boot. Perfect! <at least for me:32:
 
Maybe I just don't notice these wolfetones when having the p'ups that close. The jury is still out on the tuning.
 
Humbuckers can usually be adjusted very close to the strings...if that's the tone you like. The magnets are under the coils and far from the strings so you can get away with it.

The polepieces ARE the magnets in a Strat or Tele single coil. Those are the pickups that need to be kept at 1/8" or so away...at least on the bass side of the pickup.

Lew
 
Lewguitar said:
Humbuckers can usually be adjusted very close to the strings...if that's the tone you like. The magnets are under the coils and far from the strings so you can get away with it.

The polepieces ARE the magnets in a Strat or Tele single coil. Those are the pickups that need to be kept at 1/8" or so away...at least on the bass side of the pickup.

Lew

Good info Lew! Thanks brother.

Are you certain about that as far as humbucker height? My guitar tech and I are thinking that my tuning issues is not a result of my high pickup height but more an issue with the nut. He set up my LP Standard with BB Pros with 11-54 strings in Db, and also had the pickups very close....maybe 1/32"? I forget. I started noticing tuning issues (going sharp), but that's it as far as I rememeber. So, I lowered the p'ups to about 1/16"(2/32") and lost some of the beef. Remember, the BB Pros are relatively low output but they have a hot magnet. The guys knows his stuff and had the p'ups fairly high so I figured it was okay.

Anyway....he mentioned that since the nut slots were already low and the strings seemed to fit fine, he never filed the slots. He said I could bring it back and he would widen the slots and add lubricant.

I got worried when a few pickup manufacturer and other friends said not to have the p'ups higher than about 1/8" (2/16")..........yet I thought lot's of guys use low output p'ups for the reason that they can get them so close to the strings?
 
Re: Is there a such thing as pickups being to high?

Generally the whole "pickup too close to the strings" thing is a single coil issue. Like was perviously said, the pole pieces in most singles are actually the magnets and when they are too close to the strings they can dampen vibrations and casue "wolf tones" particularly on an unwound G string using the neck pickup with distortion.

Many modern pickup manufacturers (like DiMarzio) have updated the pole piece staggered heights (the G is the LOWEST now instead of the highest) which GREATLY decreases the problem.

Some singles are designed the same way humbuckers are in that there is a magnet underneath, and the pole pieces are merely "in contact" with it (if your polepieces are screws or Hex screws they are not magnets). There is much less magnetic pull this way, and it is not NEARLY as much of an issue.

The best way to adjust pickup height is to use your ears. 1st, start off with two pickups that compliment eachother output wise and tonally. Then, whichever pickup you use most (set your amp the way you will be playing it live) adjust the pickup height so that that the pickup is loud and clear but not unpleasantly distorted when you wack a chord. Also make sure that the string to string balance is even (the low E doesn't ring out twice as loud as the high E for instance).

Then do the same for the other pickup and make sure that when you switch between the two that one isn't too much louder than the other (unless you specifically want it that way).

It is not uncommon for the bridge pickup to me MUCH closer to the strings than the neck. Sometimes the neck needs to be set LOW because the bridge can only get so loud and so close to the strings. Try to avoid a neck pickup that is much warmer or louder than the bridge pickup. It can cause balance problems (example: don't use a Duncan Distortion neck and a '59 bridge). :wrf:

But the bottom line is your ears. Does it sound good? Balanced? Do both pickups sound good at the same amp settings?

Good luck! :smokin:
 
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Re: Is there a such thing as pickups being to high?

papersoul said:
I ask this question because Jim Wagner (great guy by the way) mentioned that he keeps his pickups at about 1/8" or further from the pickups to reduce Wolfetones and tuning issues. with my Gibson, I liked the BB Pros at about 1/16" or closer......maybe 1/32". Is this odd that I like them this close??

I see some companies like Dimarzio use a teqnique to reduce the pull on the strings hence causing less issues.

Rich

I think the Dimarzio technique you are refering to may be the "Airbuckers". Air buckers have a plastic spacer at the top of the magnet.
 
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