Is there a way to simulate dive bombs?

[darkshadow54321]

Personally, I hate guitars with floyds and much prefer a Les Paul style tune-o-matic bridge. However, every now and again I come across a song where a whammy bar is needed for a dive bomb.

Is there any way I can get close to it without actually having a tremolo? Maybe by pushing down on the strings behind the nut? (slightly bad for your guitar maybe)

The small divebomb thing halfway through the opening riff to VH's Panama is what made me think of this thread.

 

[Tux789]

Re: Is there a way to simulate dive bombs?

bending the string behind the nut will raise the pitch as if you were performing a string bend not lower it. there may be some kinda effect pedal that can do it but i dont know of any playing techniques that would let you make the pitch lower other than adjusting the tuners to a lower pitch then adjusting it back(EVH style)

 

[Dan-ola]

Re: Is there a way to simulate dive bombs?

A Digitech Whammy pedal sounds just right for you - all kinds of up/down options available, perfect for a Les Paul player...

Dano

 

[RGN]

Re: Is there a way to simulate dive bombs?

I played a Les Paul for years and used to bend the neck for dive bombs. It works. Probably not the best for the guitar. I'd grab the headstock with my left hane and grab near the 3-way with the other and bend away...

 

[SpiderVenom]

Re: Is there a way to simulate dive bombs?

I played a Les Paul for years and used to bend the neck for dive bombs. It works. Probably not the best for the guitar. I'd grab the headstock with my left hane and grab near the 3-way with the other and bend away...

Well, that technique is in Troy Stetina's Metal Guitar Tricks book... with a note mentioning that it probably isn't wise to get too carried away on it. :laugh2:

 

[Tux789]

Re: Is there a way to simulate dive bombs?

I played a Les Paul for years and used to bend the neck for dive bombs. It works. Probably not the best for the guitar. I'd grab the headstock with my left hane and grab near the 3-way with the other and bend away...

...or that

 

[JB_From_Hell]

Re: Is there a way to simulate dive bombs?

Newer Whammy pedals have the "Dive Bomb" setting, which sort of sounds like a bottomed out Floyd. I'm used to using a Floyd for that, so the pedal's sound kind of makes me cringe, but I'm sure it's more than adequate for a part or two here and there.

Man, make sure you don't ever do that neck bending **** on an SG...

 

[ErikH]

Re: Is there a way to simulate dive bombs?

In a recent Guitar World mag, Zakk Wylde showed how he did that. Listen to "I Don't Want To Change The World" off "No More Tears". He pulls off some dive bomb type stuff that sounds like it would be done with a floyd or even a digitech whammy pedal but it's neither. All in the fingers. I'll try and find the article so you can get the back issue. It really is cool.

 

[DeadSkinSlayer3]

Re: Is there a way to simulate dive bombs?

A slide can be used effectively to do it, as well as doing the whole Zakk Wylde cross hands trill.

 

[Tux789]

Re: Is there a way to simulate dive bombs?

Zakk Wylde cross hands trill.

how do you do that?

 

[JB_From_Hell]

Re: Is there a way to simulate dive bombs?

how do you do that?

Barre the strings with your right hand, then with the right, start doing a trill about 6 or 7 (or however many) frets higher, then slide the whole process down the neck.

 

[Tux789]

Re: Is there a way to simulate dive bombs?

Barre the strings with your right hand, then with the right, start doing a trill about 6 or 7 (or however many) frets higher, then slide the whole process down the neck.

ah cool thanks

 

[ErikH]

Re: Is there a way to simulate dive bombs?

The cross hands trill is a little different. It's not exactly a dive bomb and you can hear the trills as you move down the neck. Listen to the solo on "I Don't Want to Change The World", from about 2:10 to 2:12. He does the dive bomb trick there. It involves some string bending.

 

[JeffB]

Re: Is there a way to simulate dive bombs?

Go watch the master if you want to know how....

Michael Schenker....

KING OF ALL NECK SNAPPERS

friggin Scary to watch...especially on a V. He's very calculated with it compared to other people who kind fo just do it haphazardly.

Also watch the Randy Rhoads videos posted over in the OT forum...the quiet riot piece has alot of neck bending...

I do it, but I don't recommend it though....especially if you don't have anything as stable as a Paula with big fat 50s neck and no upper cutout. You can and eventually will snap a neck if you do it with any kind of authority.

 

[deftgala]

Re: Is there a way to simulate dive bombs?

I played a Les Paul for years and used to bend the neck for dive bombs. It works. Probably not the best for the guitar. I'd grab the headstock with my left hane and grab near the 3-way with the other and bend away...

Yea same here. A trick I picked up when I was a kid watching videos of Slash playing live with GnR

 

[IMENATOR]

Re: Is there a way to simulate dive bombs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkUfPUKilWI

 

[jtees4]

Re: Is there a way to simulate dive bombs?

Tune the string, turn it down and then back up.

 

[JOLLY]

Re: Is there a way to simulate dive bombs?

11 year old thread....lol