Is your Acoustic setup properly?

Gearjoneser

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I've had my Martin D-28 for about a year now, and at first, played it the way I received it, but was always bringing the action down everytime I restrung it.
After spending some time this weekend with a sheet of sandpaper, I've got it finally dialed in...playing beautifully. Now, I feel stupid for not doing it a lot sooner. I always make sure my electrics play perfectly, but somehow always felt satisfied with my acoustic just playing 'OK'.

If you've never done an 'action job' on an acoustic, it's really not that difficult, as long as you don't accidentally lower it too much.
Luckily, the nut had already been reslotted and was pretty much perfect.

First, I loosen the strings, and use a pair of pliers and a piece of paper to pull the saddle out of it's slot. I use the paper to keep the pliers from scuffing the saddle. Then, I run the bottomside of the saddle across a piece of medium grain sandpaper to reduce it's height. The trick is to do it little by little, always putting the saddle back in place to make sure you haven't gone overboard. If I'm drastically changing the action, I'll mark the side of the saddle with a pencil, to give myself some guidelines. This time, I just did it by feel till the saddle was right at the perfect height. This means the guitar's action is low as possible without any fretbuzz. Still high enough to have a bold tone, also. There's a happy medium where the playability is good, but the tone hasn't been harmed by having action that's TOO low.
All I can say is the acoustic feels like a new guitar in my hands, just from an hour's work. The guitar is essentially new, so it doesn't feel as broken in as my old Martin DR or Taylor did, but the way it plays now tells me it's going to get broken in nicely.
 
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I really should do this... thanks, your post might be some encouragement. A few questions though- How low are your strings off the fretboard? what is considered "low" action on an acoustic, what's too low?

Oddly, my old takamine acoustic has an adjustable bridge with screws, so I was never afraid to adjust the action. My other acoustics need work though... I never was satisfied with the action.
dan
 
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I did that with my 200-dollar Applause by Ovation. Now, the action is great... too bad it sounds like tin.
 
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Yeah I did this to my Seagull @ the beginning of the summer. I do not tolerate uneven action.
 
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my seagull's been a different beast since being setup (had braces reglued, nut & bridge replaced with graphtech, fret dress, lowered action, truss rod adj)


need to have my Washburn setup as well though...
 
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the funny thing is, people always commented on how well my Marlboro acoustic played, and I never understood why until just recently, the action makes it play like an electric. When i got to a guitar store, i dont usually go to try out acoustics, cause I have this one that I know I'll never part with and I dont relally see the need for more, but I still strum one every now and then, and the action is usually high enough for some good lap steel playing. It's crazy how bad someone sets up a guitar. Even people who own the guitar, leave the action so high you can fit a double cheeseburger between the strings and the 12th fret.
 
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I have a ver nice Ovation & I've always liked the action on it ... but, I will check this out. Every little bit helps!
 
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To answer the question: Probably not. But I'm not tampering with the saddles again until I get the truss rod right.

Maybe we could have a thread about the complete set-up of an acoustic.
 
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As far as the truss rod....get the neck pretty close to straight, so if you barre the 1st and 14th fret, the gap between the low E string and 7th fret have just a glimmer of light between them. Assuming the nut is cut decently, the only other step is to shave mass off the bottom of the saddle meticulously till the action is perfect on both the bass and treble side. Do it so the action is just low enough to avoid most buzz, and high enough to not sound tinny. That's the one paragraph tutorial.
 
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LesStrat said:
Maybe we could have a thread about the complete set-up of an acoustic.


And complete set-up of electrics (unless there is already one in the vault, i havent looked), the first time i changed strings on my floyd rose i looked all over the internet for help, and i'm still not one to mess much with action or inotation on any of my guitars due to fear of not really knowing what im doing.
 
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I have several Acoustics, and I set them up a little different. Depending on how the guitar will be used will dictate how high or low the Action is Etc. I use many tunings, so I need to have action at a height that will allow the guitar to play well in these altered tunings. I have stepped up to playing heavier strings to help with this. I also play a lot of slide so I like the strings a little higher. As bean Dip has stated checking out guitars in a store is hard for me, the action is typically to low, and the strings are to light. My prefernce is to treat each guitar in a unique way. Some guitars will play fine with low action, and some "prefer" to play with higher action. It takes a little time and effort with each guitar to find the place it wants to be played and what tuning will work best on each guitar.

My Acoustic Guitars:
Guild D55
Santa Cruz OM
Santa Cruz Tony Rice
Martin J40
Sigma D18
Alvarez Classical
Dobro Model 33 (Metal)
Regal Dobro (wood)
 
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I had my Dean Electro Acoustic for over a year before I had it setup. It always had high action and wasn't a very good player. WHen I saw what difference a setup made to my electric guitars, I booked my Dean in and it turned out great!

The action was lowered, the frets were levelled off and it now plays a hell of a lot better than it did before. Before the setup the action was so high you couldn't play barre chords above the 5th fret!
 
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It's pretty sad how Martin guitars leave the factory. I've got a buddy with an HD-28, and it played like balls from the factory. But once properly setup, it played like a dream. Why does the "King-of-the-hill" of acoustic guitars have such a bad setup from the factory? This isn't the first time I've heard of this happening, either.
 
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Bludave said:
I have several Acoustics, and I set them up a little different. Depending on how the guitar will be used will dictate how high or low the Action is Etc.

My Acoustic Guitars:
Guild D55
Santa Cruz OM
Santa Cruz Tony Rice
Martin J40
Sigma D18
Alvarez Classical
Dobro Model 33 (Metal)
Regal Dobro (wood)

That's a great collection of acoustics! Makes me wish I didn't sell many of the acoustics I've had, just so I had money to buy another.
You're right about the guitars all being played differently, thus setup differently. As I neared the end of my final setup on the D-28, I had to keep playing, and assess how I'm actually going to be playing that guitar.
I put 12's on it, and play with either Medium or Heavy picks, so I had to make sure that my action would accomodate everything from fingerpicking to hitting it hard with a heavy pick.
 
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casblah said:
It's pretty sad how Martin guitars leave the factory.

I don't know about that. My D-35 has had one setup........in 32 years, and I might need a fret job soon.
 
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im still working on my d-15, doing the same u did to ur d-28, i think im gonna take it in to get a complete set up though, because it needs some truss rod work and possibly some fret work...
 
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Amazingly, my 12 string left the factory PERFECT. I've had it for 4 years now and it plays as well as my LP, which I've got dialed in right now, too.

My 6 string is a different story. I've never found perfection on it yet. And here recently the saddle started chipping, so I've got very uneven action on it right now. Gonna have to get that fixed.
 
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Robert S. said:
Short answer, of course it is.
For you? It had better be. Probably wouldn't do for the tech to have a bad setup :rolleyes: :laugh2: :laugh2:
 
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