It is not about features, it is about quality.

Chickenwings

Alnico 6/8
Discuss.

eg:I'm not interested in 24 frets or abalone inlays if the neck is not a resonant piece of wood.
 
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Re: It is not about features, it is about quality.

I'd rather a guitar that looks like crap but sounds and plays great than the other way around.

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I got a squire bullet that's put together well and sounds like a strat.

Do I miss my old am std strat, with boutique pickups and staggered tuners and a high mass block, a 2 piece ash body and all that crap? Ehh... it sure was pretty and it played easier but all the same notes can come out of the bullet and my non-guitar friends can't tell the difference!

I guess my preference is a balance of features and quality but sometimes features don't add up to a $1100 price difference for me right now, ymmv. You normally wouldn't associate a bullet with quality but if you play a few you may find some of them sound how you like and that's my indicator of "quality".
 
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For mine:

Shape - not only the cosmetics, but in how it sits on you. Plus shape has a bearing on tone. Thickness, placement of the neck in relation to the body + attachment matters.

Frets - 22 or 21, not fussed. Neck pickup is a big thing for me so unless its an SG, then 24 or more is bad usually for what I want.

Yes to quality - but as I'm making it myself these days there is certainly quality involved as I can choose every last bit from the wood blanks to the screws.
 
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I got a squire bullet that's put together well and sounds like a strat.

Do I miss my old am std strat, with boutique pickups and staggered tuners and a high mass block, a 2 piece ash body and all that crap? Ehh... it sure was pretty and it played easier but all the same notes can come out of the bullet and my non-guitar friends can't tell the difference!

I guess my preference is a balance of features and quality but sometimes features don't add up to a $1100 price difference for me right now, ymmv. You normally wouldn't associate a bullet with quality but if you play a few you may find some of them sound how you like and that's my indicator of "quality".

Maybe they don't sound all too different (and in my experience, a lot of Squiers seem to use 'better wood' and are acoustically louder than a great many cheaper guitars) but you said it yourself about the feel of a Bullet, which for me just wouldn't cut it. There's a HUGE gulf between those two guitars. I've been thinking about picking up a Strat. I've had/have a bunch of very good Squier guitars, but have now decided that if/when a good American Standard or similar pops up, I'll be making the purchase vs. my original idea of picking up a dirt cheap Squier, even though I know and agree that it could sound 'good enough.'

The particular, immutable aspects about a Bullet/Squier that are difficult or costly to mod away: blocky neck joint/heel (even on nicer models,) neck finish that is either rough/papery or hard/plasticky but feels awful on the hand in either case, neck that is overall shaped with less care and has more hard edges and inconsistent spots/fretwork issues, 'wrong' thickness body that keeps you from being able to use nicer blocks and throw the weight off, poorer contours...

That said, I agree that you can (mostly) replace the pickups and electronics (maybe some hardware, unless you really want the tone of wavy chromed zinc) and get 90% to the sound of a US guitar, but to me it would always feel cheaper, nastier, and harder to play. Never mind that by swapping pickups and electronics, doing any re-fin work etc. you're investing more money and probably lessening (or not improving) resale.

An American Standard can be found pretty easily in the $500 range, give or take, used. At $1100 new cost, no, it makes less sense, but you could easily sink the cost of a used US guitar into a Squier with a pickup/hardware change alone, hell, that's the price of some Squiers new. If we're arguing Squier vs. MIM, I'll say Squier all the way but... As the owner of MIM, MIJ, MII, MIC, MI eBay parts and MI Fullerton Fenders and Squiers... In just about each case yes, I've eventually wound up with a great guitar. Also in each case I now sort of wish I'd saved a few extra hundred bucks and gotten a US model to begin with vs. the sometime headache of trying to make those guitars work for me (well, with the obvious exception of the Fullerton one.) If I wasn't a masochists who enjoyed that on some level I'd be angry, but now that I can afford to be lazy about such things, I'd rather just pay a couple hundred extra for a US Fender vs. a modded Squier (with some aspects that can never be modded to my satisfaction,) and know I'm pretty much going to be happy with the American.
 
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For me, it's about both.

I'm willing to sink good money into quality, but I also want something that's more than a one trick pony.
 
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In some quarters of the amp world, you see much emphasis on simplicity - single channel amps, few controls, etc. Dr. Z comes to mind.

I wish that mentality applied more often to guitars. For new guitars, anyway, the simplest stuff is often the one-pickup mystery wood wonders in starter packs. And high end guitars will have a ton of "features" that to me are like 3-channel amps with row after row of knobs. When I've modded Strats, it's always been to have *fewer* features - fewer pickups, fewer knobs, block the bridge.

However, features and quality aren't mutually exclusive. Some designs are actually functional. Staggered tuners, locking tuners, locking tune-o-matic bridges, low friction knobs, etc.

A current Fender USA build will have a higher likelihood of better materials and build quality than a current Squier, but good Squiers can be had. Whether you want to spend your time modding instead of playing is another matter.
 
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Well, you want to get what you pay for. Can't for the life of me why someone would pay an exorbitant price for a "reliced" instrument.

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For me a guitar just needs to click with me via feel and tone... if I want features I can always add them later via mods.
 
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A lot of "features" impact your interaction with the instrument:
  • Body & neck shape
  • Fret size and material
  • Neck joint (bolt on vs. set vs. neck-thru)
  • Weight

It's really about an instrument that inspires, whether by tone, appearance, feel or (most likely) a combination of the three.
 
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In most cases the "features" can easily be added as upgrades...pups/floyds/nuts etc. A guitar can only have so many 'features' anyway. Players who buy $2000+ Prestiges, Soloists, LP's etc will often change stock pickups just like those buying a $400 guitar...customization is the key. Very Few guitars sound/play exactly the way you want them to out of the box regardless of price. What I would look for is a decently put together guitar with tight fitting/snug joints & good accoustic resonance. I do have visual/aesthetic preferences too & always keep those in mind as well. I can take things from there.. :bigthumb:
 
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Just realized I went off on a bit of a tangent about "quality."

As far as features... I do want them all. Just not combined in one guitar. Guess that's why I have a bedroom in my house I can't walk through because it's so full of cases.
 
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touchy topic.. Better argument would be brand name vs quality.. First and foremost, yes, I want a quality guitar.. But, it also has to have some features I desire. Does it have to be ornate? Like a dragon inlayed PRS? NO.
 
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Discuss.
eg:I'm not interested in 24 frets or abalone inlays if the neck is not a resonant piece of wood.
For me 24 frets (or the neck pup position that this dictates) are fundamental in getting decent harmonics from the neck pup.
About neck resonance, I know what you mean, and I agree that a malfunction in the neck might suck all the tone, but I think that the term "resonance" that people so often use to describe a desired quality is wrong. IMHO you'd want rigidity, strength, stability not resonance, resonance might mean killing some sustain.
 
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It depends on what kind of feature. If it's an aesthetic feature then I don't really care much. The problem with your prompt is that a lot of features are associated with higher quality and directly relate to tone/playability. So they're not mutually exclusive.

An advert might say:

"Fancy steel tremolo block, true vintage reproduction saddles!"

So it's a feature of the guitar that distinguishes it from other guitars, but it's also a signal of quality because you know it's not a cheap pot metal block and soft saddles.
 
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For me 24 frets (or the neck pup position that this dictates) are fundamental in getting decent harmonics from the neck pup.
About neck resonance, I know what you mean, and I agree that a malfunction in the neck might suck all the tone, but I think that the term "resonance" that people so often use to describe a desired quality is wrong. IMHO you'd want rigidity, strength, stability not resonance, resonance might mean killing some sustain.

I mean when you pluck a string/play a chord the whole body seems to resonate in sync...that translates to a ton of sustain when it's plugged in. The more full & 'in sync' the guitar and string vibrations are the better & more woody the tone. It's an ear thing ....I tend to use mine a lot :D
 
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I mean when you pluck a string/play a chord the whole body seems to resonate in sync...that translates to a ton of sustain when it's plugged in. The more full & 'in sync' the guitar and string vibrations are the better & more woody the tone. It's an ear thing ....I tend to use mine a lot :D

When you pluck a note and the whole body seems to resonate in sync with the neck, this means that a significant part of the initial energy is wasted via this vibration. You'd want the neck/body completely still if sustain is the goal. We've been all this before. Apart from basic Physics I/II (Haliday Resnick) in univ, I didn't took any other serious Physics course but I believe what I wrote is true.
 
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I dont need much in the way of features.....2v2t 50s wiring. Good wood and wire. Plays well, and has a big fat neck. Thats it. If I want a strat sound..I use a strat.. I prefer one trick ponies. Cos that one trick is where its at for me.

How others spend their money is of no concern to me.
 
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A few observations from me: wood matters. Don't know if species necessarily does, nor does amount of pieces glued together so much etc. Resonance, I do not think, matters; I think it ties in, but is a byproduct of other things, and isn't ultimately of any importance.

What matters is loudness; if a guitar is acoustically louder, then that increases the dynamic range available to the pickup. Imagine being able to pick louder than you otherwise would be able to, while still having the "normal" max tone of a quieter guitar by picking softer.

Again, not sure exactly what determines this, but wood is involved to a pretty large degree. One of my louder guitars is a five piece body with thin laminates. Others are two piece bodies. Then again, I've played some silent guitars of both body types too...
 
Re: It is not about features, it is about quality.

Sound over looks for me. Couldn't care less what a guitar looks like if its got the sound I want its in. You won't see it on a recording anyway.
 
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