Jazz vs Pearly Gates in neck positron

Re: Jazz vs Pearly Gates in neck positron

I've not had experience with the full shred neck but I've used the bridge version quite a bit in a Strat. It has excellent attack and bite.

In terms of the question as stated in the thread title I would choose a Jazz if I'm picking between the two for what you've described you want. I think the PG is a great neck pickup and it does have some cut but I wouldn't call it bright per se...it's quite different than how the Jazz sounds. I think of the Jazz as one of the brighter neck pickups out there. Maybe even "hi-fi".
 
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Re 10K neck PU - that makes me hesitate too. Heck, it even took me a while to accept that I could get a 10K pickup for the bridge position, because in my search for bright-ish humbuckers I was always looking at very low winds (sub-8.5K for the bridge and sub-8K for the neck).
But other people's suggestions and online demos convinced me that despite being a 10K pickup (hotter than I was looking for), the Demon really has excellent clarity and note separation.

Keep in mind, the Demon is 10K of 43 gauge, not the 42 gauge wire all the PAF variants use, which has higher resistance per foot; those K numbers are not apples to apples. It performs more like a high 7/low 8k 42 ga. pickup if you look at the resonance peak & actual turns.
 
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My experience with Duncan Alnico 5 neck pickups (remember these are my opinions from being in my Les Pauls). I will add PG too, because it is an awesome Neck pup.

59: awesome, can get boomy in a Les Paul (again my only reference) traditional sounding
Jazz: Great Spank quality, not boomy, huge sound, modern sound
Demon in neck: missing link between the 59 and Jazz (a bit more traditional flavor, with a touch of Jazz vibe)
Full Shred: More of a traditional vibe as compared to a Jazz, but no outstanding characteristics (may work well with a Demon in the bridge, I am sorry I have not tried this combo yet)
PG: Think Warren Haynes neck tone. Very Traditional sounding (for a LP) Great grind and bite

Again my experience is only with these pups in Les Pauls, other guitars may have different experience.
 
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Hi,
I bought a Mike Bloomfield bridge pup from ElectricCityPickups, it was so beautifully bright, like no HBucker I have ever heard, at 7.7 or so, I replaced my Jazz with it in my new go-to guitar, an SG RI, in the neck position.
It is the best "spunky, bright, and sparkly" "neck" humbucker I have ever heard. Sounds like P90 crossed with a '69 Fender single coil without the hum. Call Bill at his site, nothing to lose, he is a master, along with MJ, and several "boutique" makers.
Not kidding - Steven John Buffington @ Senior Discount.Wallmart.
 
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Lemonman, thanks for pointing that out to me! I thought 10K is too much, but now I get it!

Audiocheck, a great micro review! I must admit that I'm not 100% sure I can imagine the difference between "traditional" and "modern" as far as neck humbuckers are concerned, but I have experience with the '59 and Jazz, so I'll take those as reference points.

The '59 has this beautiful roundness that's very ear pleasing. It's almost as if this pickup should have been named "Jazz". The sound is very warm, but not in a boring way, there's still a lot of complexity and "3D character" to the sound. Unfortunately, just like you say, it can get boomy and it does in my guitar. Too much bass for me, rather than not enough treble. In the end I ended up liking it only for clean jazzy chords and sustaining single note leads. Even with very low gain crunch, chords sound really muddy with my setup. Even double stops! That's a no-go for me. That's a shame, because there's something about the tone that I really like.

The Jazz mostly cures the issues described above. Out of the neck pickups I've tried, it's my favorite. I'm not totally in love with it (that's why I keep searching for alternatives), but it has worked for me very well. It's a pity that warmth and clarity are mostly mutually exclusive. Then I choose clarity over warmth any day, hence this thread.

Steven, a great tip! I'll definitely check that website out!
 
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Stix,

So here is my thought for you. If you are still considering a Demon for the bridge, buy one and put it in the Neck position first. See if you like it there, if so leave it and get another Demon for the Bridge. If not move it to the bridge and find another neck pickup.

I have also had good experience with the StagMag in the Neck position. This you can wire up with a TripleShot ring and it has some great tones when in Single Coil mode and Parallel mode. It also works great as a Humbucker,
 
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I'm a huge fan of the demon, even did a demon/demon8 combo in one guitar. I have a Jazz/OG Diablo (hotter Demon) in my explorer and the Jazz is a lot warmer than the Diablo. I haven't tried a full shred in the neck with a demon, but it's certainly worth a shot, as is the idea of a demon/demon combo.
 
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Guys, there are two points I'd like to make:

1) If I have any say in this (as the OP), this thread is supposed to be about humbuckers

2) Defining what a "true P90" sounds like might prove just as difficult as defining a "true humbucker" etc, you catch my drift. I for one love the variety that all those pickup types give me. Perhaps there is a time and place for a discussion about "true PAFs", "true P90s" etc. I'm just not sure this thread is it...
lol...you have inadvertently walked into the argument that is on constant spin cycle here in the SD forum. Its seriously like the cuckoos nest on the subject of phat cats with people repeating themselves over and over.

Anyways...yeah back to humbuckers, mahogany teles and a fat sound.
The trick is of course to match the pups to the axe, your amp, the style of music and each other. You want your axe to be greater than the sum of its parts rather than being some kind of unbalanced setup where everything individually is good, but not always working together as a whole.
So I'm gonna recommend a pair of pickups that will play nice together without you having to change your amp eq every time you flip the pickup lever.
These pickups are also a proven combination in mahogany solid axes (sg's come to mind) and complement the inherent tonal qualities of the wood and the inherent qualities of a bolt on neck style axe.
As such, they will sound fat and powerful, yet retain plenty of that high end that you are after too. Eq wise both of these pickups are fairly compatible, with the bridge having more grunt in the mids to accomodate for the fact that it is sitting at the skinny end of the string. If you eq your amp to get one sounding great, then the other will also be sitting in its sweet spot as well.
So...in the bridge a custom5 and in the neck, a 59. 500k pots all round and .022uf caps. Roll the tone back and you are jazzin it up, open everything wide and you will be able to take it all the way to the heaviest of styles. Blues for days. They both have a strong low end, not loose like the alnico 2 based pickups. Assuming your amp can handle the low end push you will have a very big yet clear piano like tone. Both have plenty of treble clarity. The big low end will complement the bolt on setup and the somewhat scooped nature of these two pickups will balance out against the thicker mids imparted by mahogany. You will never find you cant get enough treble detail out of either of these. Basically, if does not sound awesome, then it will be due to the shortcomings of whatever amp you are using.
Maybe chuck in some push pull coil splits (you will need to get a 4 conductor 59 if you go this way) and you will have more tonal options at your fingertips.
Hope this helps.
 
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Re: Jazz vs Pearly Gates in neck positron

lol...you have inadvertently walked into the argument that is on constant spin cycle here in the SD forum. Its seriously like the cuckoos nest on the subject of phat cats with people repeating themselves over and over.


We can't all come up with fresh, new and exciting insights with every post. All we can do is try to live up to your example.
 
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Back to the OP, to my ears, the PGn sounds less scooped than the Jazz.
 
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