JB/Jazz combo, three months later...

voggin

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Just after the new year I put a JB/Jazz combo into my PRS SE singlecut. I wrote a very honeymoonish/glowing review of the pair. However, I thought that replacing any stock budget pickups with a real set would probably sound great at first, and that I'd take some time playing it to do an update.

Well, after playing the guitar daily for three months, I can honestly say my opinion hasn't changed. The JB/Jazz combo is awesome in this guitar.

I've played it now through my pro junior (my fave amp), a Hughes and Kettner ss (blonde), a friends Mesa Stilletto and a Hot Rod Deville. I've gotten great tones from all the amps.

The JB alone is just a killer rock humbucker. On low to medium gain, it gives me an amazing classic rock tone. On medium high gain, it's perfect 80's territory, and on ridiculous gain, it's a monster (I'm no shredder, but I love that kind of tone when I'm alone and have 4-6 beers in me.) The harmonics are crisp and completely in control.

The jazz gives a great blues tone, esp. with the tone rolled off about a third. No muddiness. At times, it almost sounds strat like, or P90-ish (I know, I don't believe it either, but it's true)

But the amazing tone I wasn't expecting was when both pickups are on. Clean, with a bit of reverb, they give a well rounded, bitey (jangly?) jazzy sound, which sounds great at the edge of overdrive. Very BB King live sound, very responsive to pick dynamics.

Did a little recording, and with a mix of instruments, all the combinations cut through without being obnoxious. Perhaps it's the wood of the guitar (or the lack of quality, it's a cheapy) but the pairing seems to make the SE sound very PRS'ish, if you know what I mean.

The only negative, if you can call it that, was when I played it through a modelling unit. But I'm an old guy, so it could be that I don't know how to properly use that kind of technology. It was very brittle through most of the models, and the Jazz was fuzzy. Again, though, if I had some time to get used to the modelling thing (I bought it as an alternative to my old Ibanez delay, not for the amp modelling) I might get some good sounds. But then again, it sounds great through real amps, so I probably won't bother unless I need to for recording (of course, I've never found it that challenging to stick a Shure in front of a speaker, so the "convenience" of software is a little ellusive to me.)

Anyway, if you have an SE or something like an Epi LP, a JB/Jazz set may well be what you're looking for. I'm not going to say this guitar is now "as good as a (blank)" (Jesus, does this forum need THAT discussion again?) but it's miles ahead of where it was stock, and a great guitar in its own right, for a relatively low mod cost. It gets equal play with my US 60's reissue strat, if that means anything. Thanks, Seymour.
 
Re: JB/Jazz combo, three months later...

Just after the new year I put a JB/Jazz combo into my PRS SE singlecut. I wrote a very honeymoonish/glowing review of the pair. However, I thought that replacing any stock budget pickups with a real set would probably sound great at first, and that I'd take some time playing it to do an update.

Well, after playing the guitar daily for three months, I can honestly say my opinion hasn't changed. The JB/Jazz combo is awesome in this guitar.

I've played it now through my pro junior (my fave amp), a Hughes and Kettner ss (blonde), a friends Mesa Stilletto and a Hot Rod Deville. I've gotten great tones from all the amps.

The JB alone is just a killer rock humbucker. On low to medium gain, it gives me an amazing classic rock tone. On medium high gain, it's perfect 80's territory, and on ridiculous gain, it's a monster (I'm no shredder, but I love that kind of tone when I'm alone and have 4-6 beers in me.) The harmonics are crisp and completely in control.

The jazz gives a great blues tone, esp. with the tone rolled off about a third. No muddiness. At times, it almost sounds strat like, or P90-ish (I know, I don't believe it either, but it's true)

But the amazing tone I wasn't expecting was when both pickups are on. Clean, with a bit of reverb, they give a well rounded, bitey (jangly?) jazzy sound, which sounds great at the edge of overdrive. Very BB King live sound, very responsive to pick dynamics.

Did a little recording, and with a mix of instruments, all the combinations cut through without being obnoxious. Perhaps it's the wood of the guitar (or the lack of quality, it's a cheapy) but the pairing seems to make the SE sound very PRS'ish, if you know what I mean.

The only negative, if you can call it that, was when I played it through a modelling unit. But I'm an old guy, so it could be that I don't know how to properly use that kind of technology. It was very brittle through most of the models, and the Jazz was fuzzy. Again, though, if I had some time to get used to the modelling thing (I bought it as an alternative to my old Ibanez delay, not for the amp modelling) I might get some good sounds. But then again, it sounds great through real amps, so I probably won't bother unless I need to for recording (of course, I've never found it that challenging to stick a Shure in front of a speaker, so the "convenience" of software is a little ellusive to me.)

Anyway, if you have an SE or something like an Epi LP, a JB/Jazz set may well be what you're looking for. I'm not going to say this guitar is now "as good as a (blank)" (Jesus, does this forum need THAT discussion again?) but it's miles ahead of where it was stock, and a great guitar in its own right, for a relatively low mod cost. It gets equal play with my US 60's reissue strat, if that means anything. Thanks, Seymour.

I know what you mean! I just installed the same set in my LTD ( ESP low brand ) Viper and holy smokes! I am playing through a Diezel VH4 with a 4x12 VHT cab and it just is insane. I had EMG 81/85 in there before and, through my amp, they sounded so compressed. The JB/Jazz just make my amp come to life and sing!

A lot of people told me the JB would sound horrible in my SG like guitar but, it sounds simply awesome! The sound I am definitely going for! They said the JB would sound thin and brittle... I don't know if they know but, my guitar is definitely a lot fatter and warmer then a normal SG. My amazing amp has a lot to do with controlling the sound also. So it sounds killer!

Congrats man! Glad I can share the feeling of these awesome pickups with someone too!
 
Re: JB/Jazz combo, three months later...

Just after the new year I put a JB/Jazz combo into my PRS SE singlecut. I wrote a very honeymoonish/glowing review of the pair. However, I thought that replacing any stock budget pickups with a real set would probably sound great at first, and that I'd take some time playing it to do an update.

Well, after playing the guitar daily for three months, I can honestly say my opinion hasn't changed. The JB/Jazz combo is awesome in this guitar.

I've played it now through my pro junior (my fave amp), a Hughes and Kettner ss (blonde), a friends Mesa Stilletto and a Hot Rod Deville. I've gotten great tones from all the amps.

The JB alone is just a killer rock humbucker. On low to medium gain, it gives me an amazing classic rock tone. On medium high gain, it's perfect 80's territory, and on ridiculous gain, it's a monster (I'm no shredder, but I love that kind of tone when I'm alone and have 4-6 beers in me.) The harmonics are crisp and completely in control.

The jazz gives a great blues tone, esp. with the tone rolled off about a third. No muddiness. At times, it almost sounds strat like, or P90-ish (I know, I don't believe it either, but it's true)

But the amazing tone I wasn't expecting was when both pickups are on. Clean, with a bit of reverb, they give a well rounded, bitey (jangly?) jazzy sound, which sounds great at the edge of overdrive. Very BB King live sound, very responsive to pick dynamics.

Did a little recording, and with a mix of instruments, all the combinations cut through without being obnoxious. Perhaps it's the wood of the guitar (or the lack of quality, it's a cheapy) but the pairing seems to make the SE sound very PRS'ish, if you know what I mean.

The only negative, if you can call it that, was when I played it through a modelling unit. But I'm an old guy, so it could be that I don't know how to properly use that kind of technology. It was very brittle through most of the models, and the Jazz was fuzzy. Again, though, if I had some time to get used to the modelling thing (I bought it as an alternative to my old Ibanez delay, not for the amp modelling) I might get some good sounds. But then again, it sounds great through real amps, so I probably won't bother unless I need to for recording (of course, I've never found it that challenging to stick a Shure in front of a speaker, so the "convenience" of software is a little ellusive to me.)

Anyway, if you have an SE or something like an Epi LP, a JB/Jazz set may well be what you're looking for. I'm not going to say this guitar is now "as good as a (blank)" (Jesus, does this forum need THAT discussion again?) but it's miles ahead of where it was stock, and a great guitar in its own right, for a relatively low mod cost. It gets equal play with my US 60's reissue strat, if that means anything. Thanks, Seymour.

Sounds like one helluva PRS you got going.

Got a pic?
 
Re: JB/Jazz combo, three months later...

Thanks, Sigma and Icantbuy....

My digital camera is on the fritz, so I hope to post a picture when it's fixed/replaced. After I somewhat impluse bought the JB, I read a lot of posts about brittle tone complaints about the JB. Haven't experienced that at all. Maybe that happens at gain levels beyond what I normally play at, but, as I said, even when playing the Stilleto cranked, I haven't experienced anything unpleasant.

Really, though, the SE just looks like an ordinary singlecut burst. However, the little "Seymour Duncans" (are they in halvidica (sp)) do add a massive amount of coolness to the look, although that's probably only recognized by guitar geeks like us!

Sigma, you mention the previous EMG's you had. I had a Charvel in the 80's (Japanese) that had a single Jackson EMG clone in it. I used to really like that pickup, too, and I may have been in the minority, but I liked it a lot clean, with the volume rolled back just a touch on the guitar. But the JB/Jazz is much more organic sounding, if you know what I mean: it definitely sounds like it's attached to a piece of wood.

I've seen a lot of guys comment on the JB/59 pairing. I think if I ever get another dual HB guitar, I'd like to try that combo, too. But I would still want the JB in the bridge.
 
Re: JB/Jazz combo, three months later...

Thanks, Sigma and Icantbuy....

My digital camera is on the fritz, so I hope to post a picture when it's fixed/replaced. After I somewhat impluse bought the JB, I read a lot of posts about brittle tone complaints about the JB. Haven't experienced that at all. Maybe that happens at gain levels beyond what I normally play at, but, as I said, even when playing the Stilleto cranked, I haven't experienced anything unpleasant.

Really, though, the SE just looks like an ordinary singlecut burst. However, the little "Seymour Duncans" (are they in halvidica (sp)) do add a massive amount of coolness to the look, although that's probably only recognized by guitar geeks like us!

Sigma, you mention the previous EMG's you had. I had a Charvel in the 80's (Japanese) that had a single Jackson EMG clone in it. I used to really like that pickup, too, and I may have been in the minority, but I liked it a lot clean, with the volume rolled back just a touch on the guitar. But the JB/Jazz is much more organic sounding, if you know what I mean: it definitely sounds like it's attached to a piece of wood.

I've seen a lot of guys comment on the JB/59 pairing. I think if I ever get another dual HB guitar, I'd like to try that combo, too. But I would still want the JB in the bridge.


IMO ive heard the JB/59 and would say to stick to the jazz. Its a better matched set. the 59 can have some output issues since the JB is TWICE as hot. Not as balanced as the jazz/jb, ya know? And for the record. I HATE EMG. If i wanted a battery powered guitar I'd have stuck to an old silvertone/danelectro from sears with the built in amp.
 
Re: JB/Jazz combo, three months later...

I remember those sears guitars!

I think the EMG had its heyday in the time when everyone was lining up 50 pedals to be Andy Summers or Robert Fripp, when you couldn't afford a synth guitar, back before effects loops. By the time the signal got to the poor amp, you needed the boost. I knew a guy who played a Rockman with the chorus on, through a chorus and a delay. Ah, the 80s.
 
Re: JB/Jazz combo, three months later...

Cool review! I have that combo in an 80s Kramer and love it ! I just got the a jazz and Jb and am in the middle of putting them in my Charvel SO cal as wasnt happy with the TZ/evo. got em put in today, but didnt have time to solder and reassemble. The TZ/Evo only seemed to sound good if I dialed the mids way up on my amp..
 
Re: JB/Jazz combo, three months later...

I've got serious GAS for a new Charvel. Hope my lottery numbers come in!
 
Re: JB/Jazz combo, three months later...

Is it the San Dimas that comes with the JB/59?

Yes.. the so cal has the pickguard and dimarzios.. The necks are wunnerful! I prefer no pickguard and wanted the Duncans, but I got a great deal on one. Plus, mine reminds me of Jake E Lee's and so Im ok with that...
 
Re: JB/Jazz combo, three months later...

Yes.. the so cal has the pickguard and dimarzios.. The necks are wunnerful! I prefer no pickguard and wanted the Duncans, but I got a great deal on one. Plus, mine reminds me of Jake E Lee's and so Im ok with that...

Charvel makes such good guitars

I loved the tele style one that has no pickguard... played it at a shop.

Solid saturated orange with black hardware

it had duncan humbuckers as well
 
Re: JB/Jazz combo, three months later...

I think it may be a fact that the JB/Jazz is the best selling aftermarket set of all time, so it shouldn't be any surprise that it sounds good.

I like the JB in guitars that have a naturally tight bottom and punchy highs. The JB evens it all out with punchy mids. That's why it should sound perfect in a PRS SE or US PRS.
 
Re: JB/Jazz combo, three months later...

Charvel makes such good guitars

I loved the tele style one that has no pickguard... played it at a shop.

Solid saturated orange with black hardware

it had duncan humbuckers as well

yeah, Id LOVE to play one of the "upscale" ones !! I have a model 4 that is cool , but the Pro mod just feels so natural.

Cant wait to try these new pups in it!
 
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Re: JB/Jazz combo, three months later...

Just after the new year I put a JB/Jazz combo into my PRS SE singlecut. I wrote a very honeymoonish/glowing review of the pair. However, I thought that replacing any stock budget pickups with a real set would probably sound great at first, and that I'd take some time playing it to do an update.

Well, after playing the guitar daily for three months, I can honestly say my opinion hasn't changed. The JB/Jazz combo is awesome in this guitar.

I've played it now through my pro junior (my fave amp), a Hughes and Kettner ss (blonde), a friends Mesa Stilletto and a Hot Rod Deville. I've gotten great tones from all the amps.

The JB alone is just a killer rock humbucker. On low to medium gain, it gives me an amazing classic rock tone. On medium high gain, it's perfect 80's territory, and on ridiculous gain, it's a monster (I'm no shredder, but I love that kind of tone when I'm alone and have 4-6 beers in me.) The harmonics are crisp and completely in control.

The jazz gives a great blues tone, esp. with the tone rolled off about a third. No muddiness. At times, it almost sounds strat like, or P90-ish (I know, I don't believe it either, but it's true)

But the amazing tone I wasn't expecting was when both pickups are on. Clean, with a bit of reverb, they give a well rounded, bitey (jangly?) jazzy sound, which sounds great at the edge of overdrive. Very BB King live sound, very responsive to pick dynamics.

Did a little recording, and with a mix of instruments, all the combinations cut through without being obnoxious. Perhaps it's the wood of the guitar (or the lack of quality, it's a cheapy) but the pairing seems to make the SE sound very PRS'ish, if you know what I mean.

The only negative, if you can call it that, was when I played it through a modelling unit. But I'm an old guy, so it could be that I don't know how to properly use that kind of technology. It was very brittle through most of the models, and the Jazz was fuzzy. Again, though, if I had some time to get used to the modelling thing (I bought it as an alternative to my old Ibanez delay, not for the amp modelling) I might get some good sounds. But then again, it sounds great through real amps, so I probably won't bother unless I need to for recording (of course, I've never found it that challenging to stick a Shure in front of a speaker, so the "convenience" of software is a little ellusive to me.)

Anyway, if you have an SE or something like an Epi LP, a JB/Jazz set may well be what you're looking for. I'm not going to say this guitar is now "as good as a (blank)" (Jesus, does this forum need THAT discussion again?) but it's miles ahead of where it was stock, and a great guitar in its own right, for a relatively low mod cost. It gets equal play with my US 60's reissue strat, if that means anything. Thanks, Seymour.

I have the same guitar, and the same pickup combo. I cannot agree with you more!

I had a bit of fear because of JB's bad reputation on mahogany, but now all my overdriven tones come from it!

In a 2 guitars + bass + drums + synths live situation, the JB cuts through the mix amazingly, and the Jazz blends in the mix when doing mixed arpeggios with the other guitarist.
 
Re: JB/Jazz combo, three months later...

Ugh. There goes my JB GAS again...

I don't know how things are for you in Europe, but over here there are tons of JB/Jazz sets on the used market (I guess because they are such a ubiquitous pair, both stock in guitars and as mods). I recently saw a set for $100(CDN) on a local kijiji site, compared to 180 for the set new.

I have to say, the JB itself is great, but I am really, really impressed with the combo. They are just perfectly matched, even though they are individually so different.
 
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