JB/Jazz set: new vs antiquity

[orpheo]

Allright guys, for once I have no idea about a set and need some pointers in the right direction.

I am making a tele that will be inspired by the TeleGib, but (likely) feature a paisley finish. Now, the question is, will the Antiquity set sound totally different from the jb/jazz set I have laying around? I can, of course, mag swap the living heck out of the jb/jazz set if need be to get it closer to the vintage JB/Jazz Beck used.

So, it's either splurge the cash on the vintage set, or use the modern set I have, with or without new mags. (I'm guessing, Alnico 4 for both to get closer to the vintage mags?).

 

[orpheo]

Re: JB/Jazz set: new vs antiquity

I currently have an alnico 4, alnioc 3 and an unoriented alnico 5 roughcast available.

The body is ash, neck is maple, fretboard is maple too. Just the classic, standard materials.

 

[Despair]

Re: JB/Jazz set: new vs antiquity

It was rumored a while back that older JB/Jazz used roughcast A5. Certainly been claimed that roughcast makes them sound more like older "better" ones. Really depends on how much sparkle/scream/bite you want. A4 is probably wrong direction for chasing Jeff Beck tones.

The Antiquity JB/Jazz set always struck me as poor bang per buck. But I'm not into reliced appearances (though some of the acid-wash/etched covers I have seen are eye-catching...). I'd save the money, and try to get something in the ballpark that gets a sound/feel I like better. But if the distressed look does it for you, it's your money...

I generally prefer the JB with unoriented magnets, but that'll depend on the guitar. Not sure I'd go roughcast AND unoriented, but since you have it on hand, it's worth a try. Jazz... If you want the sparkle, you probably want the stock A5, maybe A3 if the bridge output is low enough.

 

[orpheo]

Re: JB/Jazz set: new vs antiquity

It was rumored a while back that older JB/Jazz used roughcast A5. Certainly been claimed that roughcast makes them sound more like older "better" ones. Really depends on how much sparkle/scream/bite you want. A4 is probably wrong direction for chasing Jeff Beck tones.

The Antiquity JB/Jazz set always struck me as poor bang per buck. But I'm not into reliced appearances (though some of the acid-wash/etched covers I have seen are eye-catching...). I'd save the money, and try to get something in the ballpark that gets a sound/feel I like better. But if the distressed look does it for you, it's your money...

I generally prefer the JB with unoriented magnets, but that'll depend on the guitar. Not sure I'd go roughcast AND unoriented, but since you have it on hand, it's worth a try. Jazz... If you want the sparkle, you probably want the stock A5, maybe A3 if the bridge output is low enough.

To be honest, I'll have to give the 'ol JB/Jazz combo a try in an ash/maple guitar, but if memory serves, I found them a bit boring, bland. I don't understand that. however, I have the same feelings about the '59 but I LOVE the antiquity PAF's. Hence the idea that maybe, the antiquity version of the jb/jazz will sound better.

About the UOA5: I was thinking of putting that in the Jazz to soften the highs and fill out the mids a bit, and an a4 in the JB but I have no idea how that will work out. I want to open up the voice of the pickups a bit more. I like the overall tones, but they're just a bit boxy, woody, flat. Same with the SH5 Custom: as soon as I popped in an A3, it barked my head off and I liked it.

About pricing: yeah I don't care that much cause I get trade pricing since I've got my own company and I build 95% on order only...

 

[Discharged]

Re: JB/Jazz set: new vs antiquity

Orpheo, the magnets on the original Tele-Gibb were roughcast, american-made A2s.

A short one in the Jazz, a long one in the JB.

The p'up s were non-potted, made with Butyrate bobbins and wound with PE wire.

/Peter

 

[orpheo]

Re: JB/Jazz set: new vs antiquity

Orpheo, the magnets on the original Tele-Gibb were roughcast, american-made A2s.

A short one in the Jazz, a long one in the JB.

The p'up s were non-potted, made with Butyrate bobbins and wound with PE wire.

/Peter

Sorry, doesn't help me one little bit

I want to open up the voice of the pickups a bit more. I like the overall tones, but they're just a bit boxy, woody, flat.

so, in essence, the neck pickup on the telegib is technically an alnico2pro :?:

 

[Demanic]

Re: JB/Jazz set: new vs antiquity

A4 Jazz, RCUOA5 JB.

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[Discharged]

Re: JB/Jazz set: new vs antiquity

Not quite, orpheo. The APH1/Jazz is wound with Poly wire... and so does the JB.

/Peter

 

[orpheo]

Re: JB/Jazz set: new vs antiquity

Not quite, orpheo. The APH1/Jazz is wound with Poly wire... and so does the JB.

/Peter

ahh. so the original neck pickup wasn't a 'real' jazz either. Cool. Forgot to factor in that little tidbit of wire.

@demanac: thanks

 

[jeremy]

Re: JB/Jazz set: new vs antiquity

Orpheo, the magnets on the original Tele-Gibb were roughcast, american-made A2s.

A short one in the Jazz, a long one in the JB.

The p'up s were non-potted, made with Butyrate bobbins and wound with PE wire.

/Peter

i was under the impression it was a5 neck, a2 bridge in the original ones in jeffs guitar

 

[Masta' C]

Re: JB/Jazz set: new vs antiquity

The Antiquity set sounds different than the modern JB/Jazz. Less shrill, more growl, slightly less output.

For a true recreation of the TeleGib, you want the "Concept" set from the Custom Shop, A5 neck/A2 bridge: LINK

 

[orpheo]

Re: JB/Jazz set: new vs antiquity

Oh, I'm not going to recreate the Telegib step for step, blow by blow (see what I did there? ). I will add some twists to the design because I never ever recreate a guitar 1 on 1. I will give the guitar a 3mm maple top (because I have that still somewhere and it's bugging me for years that I never had a place to put it!!) I will give it a paisley finish but, with a twist.

If all goes well! if not, I'll just dump the top and ditch the entire project. I'll post pics when I get to it

 

[orpheo]

Re: JB/Jazz set: new vs antiquity

The Antiquity set sounds different than the modern JB/Jazz. Less shrill, more growl, slightly less output.

yes, that is what I remember, thanks! That's why I asked for mag swapping the standard jb/jazz set

 

[GrilledChickenSalad]

Re: JB/Jazz set: new vs antiquity

Sorry, doesn't help me one little bit

Beat me to the punch. LOL!



The Antiquity JB/Jazz fixes most of the common complaints about the current JB/Jazz set. If you don't have a 1980s JB/Jazz set on hand. Or if you don't want to pay what ebay sellers want for a 1980s JB/Jazz set. The Antiquity JB/Jazz set is what you want. If you want the Antiquity JB/Jazz set without the relic look and full strength magnets, look at the 35th Anniversary JB/Jazz set. If you want it closer to the classic TeleGib, look at the JB/Jazz Concept Set. If you want what Seymour is using in a TeleGib today, look at the Eclair Set.

 

[Discharged]

Re: JB/Jazz set: new vs antiquity

i was under the impression it was a5 neck, a2 bridge in the original ones in jeffs guitar

Well, word is that the JB originally was an A5, but Jeff told that it was hitting too hard the first gain stage of his amp, making the lows "fart" a little bit, so it was changed to an A2, which its reduced output and sweeter highs translated in a more suitable middle position tone and just the right bridge p'up output driving to perfection that very old tweed amp used in the recording of Stevie Wonder's song "Cause We've Ended Up As Lovers" in the "Blow By Blow" album.

/Peter

 

[orpheo]

Re: JB/Jazz set: new vs antiquity

Well, word is that the JB originally was an A5, but Jeff told that it was hitting too hard the first gain stage of his amp, making the lows "fart" a little bit, so it was changed to an A2, which its reduced output and sweeter highs translated in a more suitable middle position tone and just the right bridge p'up output driving to perfection that very old tweed amp used in the recording of Stevie Wonder's song "Cause We've Ended Up As Lovers" in the "Blow By Blow" album.

/Peter

If that's the case, an alnico III should work fine in a jb. It's like an A2, but with less saggy lows and even less output.

 

[Discharged]

Re: JB/Jazz set: new vs antiquity

If that's the case, an alnico III should work fine in a jb. It's like an A2, but with less saggy lows and even less output.

Well, if you liked the A3 in a Custom, you'll LOVE an A3-modded JB. Also, due to the different wire and turns used in a stock Jazz in relationship of the very old ones, use an A3 there too, and you'll probably have "better" middle position tonefootprint as well.

I'd just use a second-hand, stock Jazz/JB set to do the project and make the mag swaps as discussed. To end the thread: if you find the A3 JB a bit on the shrill side, then replace the stock filister screws with 1010 steel ones, like the ones found in both Mojotone and Addiction-FX. that'll most probably do. Have fun, and good luck with your take on the Tele-Gibb project!

Yours very truly,

/Peter

 

[Masta' C]

Re: JB/Jazz set: new vs antiquity

A3 would definitely be interesting. Underrated mag for sure

 

[frankfalbo]

Re: JB/Jazz set: new vs antiquity

The p'up s were non-potted, made with Butyrate bobbins and wound with PE wire.

Where’d you hear that they were plain enamel? They were always poly and the Concept Set from the Custom Shop is poly.

 

[Archer250]

Re: JB/Jazz set: new vs antiquity

Yeah, the only Plain Enamel "JB" I know is Bareknucle's Holy Diver pickup.


But tbf, I know next to nothing about the TeleGib either.

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