JB Jr vs Hot Stack Plus

Brucifer85

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Hello all.

Has anyone tried both of these pups and can offer me a comparison? I'm wanting a Strat bridge pickup with more midrange but that can still do passable cleans now and then. I use a Quilter Tone Block set with a slight mid scoop so pushing the amp into breakup isn't an issue I think I am gonna have with a hotter mid heavy pickup.

Other suggestions of course are welcome as well as I may have overlooked something.

Thanks!
 
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What is it that you consider passable cleans?

Hi. I'm gonna be playing with distortion 80% of the time. Cleans of other guitarists like Shaun Morgan (Seether), Kurt Cobain (Nirvana) and Billy Corgan (Smashing Pumpkins) will do just fine. It's okay if the cleans have a lil grit to them.

Thanks.
 
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Well, it isn't so much the 'grit' in the cleans, but the EQ. A JB Jr has this upper mid thing that makes it sound great with distortion, but clean, it has this sort of AM radio quality. The Hot Stack fares better with cleans, to me.
 
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Well, it isn't so much the 'grit' in the cleans, but the EQ. A JB Jr has this upper mid thing that makes it sound great with distortion, but clean, it has this sort of AM radio quality. The Hot Stack fares better with cleans, to me.

Hi.

I suspected that may be the case. Which is more harmonically rich and which would you say more mids since the tone chart shows them with both a big midrange bump. Thanks.
 
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The JB Jr is more high mids...the Hot Stack Plus sounds like more true mids. As far as harmonically rich, that would depend on the level and type of gain.
 
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Im using Marshall distortion fairly high gain.

I like vintage single coils but im just not getting the mid range and harmonics I'd like out of them.
 
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If you are not getting the harmonics you want, it is doubtful a higher output single coil will get them. However, a single coil sized humbucker will. As a better alternative to the JB Jr, you might look at the Lil Screamin Demon, which has harmonics (and a good clean tone) for days.
 
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Based on the music listed I think he'll do better with the thicker heavier JB Jr. than the Lil Screamin Demon.

Billy Corgan's BC-2 and before he played it he played a Lace Sensor Red. Both are quite extreme. The BC-2 is the closest thing to a normal humbucker that I have ever heard.
 
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I know a lot about these pickups. I don't care for the JB Jr at all. It's and insipid pickup and even though it's one of the higher output stacks, it responds nothing like the JB. It sucks for clean tones. It's one of Seymour Duncan's suckiest pickups. Sorry, but I'm just being honest. The Hot Stack Plus is Seymour Duncan's best bridge stack. It's such a good pickup that I like it even more than the YJM bridge which I'd say is 2nd best in terms of the higher output noiseless strat pickups. The STK-S9b has such a wonderful midrange that it would make a Dimarzio lover envious. Dimarzio generally makes the best stacks period (by stack I mean stacked, noiseless single size humbuckers or whatever you want to call them). It's not just because Dimarzio does them right, but also because they're the only ones besides Seymour Duncan who have a whole variety of them.

Anyway, the STK-S9b is way more like the JB than the JB Jr. is. In fact, they should scrap the JB Jr., apologize for making it, and either rename the Hot Stack Plus the JB Jr. or even better the Warrren Dimartini Jr. Yeah, it's that good. It feels quick enough, loads of harmonic content, great output, a little sparkle in the high mids for clean tones, not fat like the Hot Rails, but not thin in any way. Maybe you could say it has a moderate thickness. It has a nice bass response, so you won't be missing any, but it's also a little tight and has enough output to play metal if you have enough distortion from your amp or pedal.

I wish they made a matching neck pickup or a calibrated set of this pickup. It's a damned shame they don't. I love this pickup as much as any Dimarzio. You will not be disappointed if you get it. The STK-S9 vs. JB Jr. is like comparing German beer to prison toilet beer.

EDIT: It pairs well with single coils, but I'd recommend the Classic Stack Plus neck. In fact, and I'm not even kidding, writing this response for you made me realize that I forgot to buy another one. I had one in a strat that I built and recently sold. Right before I sold it, I thought about swapping the STK-S9 with another pickup, but the guy who bought it had already been asking me while the description read STK-S9. I hated losing that pickup. THEREFORE, I literally just bought one online and came back to update this thread.

If you buy it and you don't like it, I will buy it from you (at used market price of course). You can't go wrong with that pickup really well. You can get a range of satisfying clean tones just by adjusting your guitar volume. Let me tell you something else, I demoed that strat with a local guy from Craig's List on his JTM45 cranked up at his country house and I tell you the tone was nothing short of iconic.

Yeah, great thread because it seems like the STK-S9 doesn't get the attention it deserves. It's probably because SD has a habit of using "stack" in the names of several pickups. They should call it the Savage 9!
 
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Thanks very much to everyone for the replies so far. I may have to try the Hot Stack Plus and a Lil Screamin Demon now and see which hits the mark better.
 
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Thanks very much to everyone for the replies so far. I may have to try the Hot Stack Plus and a Lil Screamin Demon now and see which hits the mark better.
Between those two I'd take the Lil' Screamin Demon.

For a single I'd take the Virtual Solo or Virtual Vintage Heavy Blues 2 depending on how I wanted the mids to sound. I would use a treble bleed with either.

It's not just because Dimarzio does them right, but also because they're the only ones besides Seymour Duncan who have a whole variety of them.
https://kinman.com/model-products.p...=83&model=Overview&group=Single Strat Pickups

I wish they made a matching neck pickup or a calibrated set of this pickup.
https://www.seymourduncan.com/pickup/custom-stack-plus-strat
...a very viable option.
 
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Between those two I'd take the Lil' Screamin Demon.

For a single I'd take the Virtual Solo or Virtual Vintage Heavy Blues 2 depending on how I wanted the mids to sound. I would use a treble bleed with either.


https://kinman.com/model-products.p...=83&model=Overview&group=Single Strat Pickups


https://www.seymourduncan.com/pickup/custom-stack-plus-strat
...a very viable option.

Nothing new for me my friend. I'm very familiar with Kinman pickups. I've owned a set of Kinman Woodstocks for five years, but even still, they're not better than Dimarzios. Actually, I traded a year ago for the Woodstock Plus set, and that set particularly I think actually sounds like Dimarzios. Really great pickups and his prices aren't too bad.
 
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Another thing: for high gain applications (and many will agree), I'd take the JB Jr. over the STK-S9.

...but some people either like fizz or have a means to control it.

The JB Jr. can sound quite nice actually:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I8mUvXG4Q-o

I was very surprised to hear how good the cleans of the JB Jr sounded after reading so many posts all over of how unusable and horrible it's cleans are.
 
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I was very surprised to hear how good the cleans of the JB Jr sounded after reading so many posts all over of how unusable and horrible it's cleans are.

Until you get to 4:23 in the video, then the other pickup makes the JB Jr. sound cheap.
 
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Until you get to 4:23 in the video, then the other pickup makes the JB Jr. sound cheap.

Mmm I donno about cheap rather just different. I did prefer the JB Jr with distortion but I do think the Pro Track has the advantage in the clean department. Not to say I think the cleans were bad or unusable on the JB Jr.

Perhaps then the Lil' Screamin Demon is a good middle ground pickup.
 
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Perhaps then the Lil' Screamin Demon is a good middle ground pickup.
I would say it is.

You might also consider this.

If it is of any interest, something similar is going in the bridge of one of my Strats. Another one of these will be arriving soon which will also be tried in the bridge spot.

I'm pretty sure the latter will have great cleans in series mode. I'm confident that both will have even better cleans when either are wired in parallel.
 
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Mmm I donno about cheap rather just different. I did prefer the JB Jr with distortion but I do think the Pro Track has the advantage in the clean department. Not to say I think the cleans were bad or unusable on the JB Jr.

Perhaps then the Lil' Screamin Demon is a good middle ground pickup.

Yeah, better overall everything. It depends on your amp though. The guy in that video just knew how to dial it in, but I guarantee you the average dude isn't going to sound like that with the JB Jr. I'm sorry but I hate that pickup. The Super Distortion S has proven to be surprisingly good from clean to mean. The Fast Track 2 I think is like a hotter version of the Pro Track, but given that it's so hot, it might not be so great clean. Try the Super Distortion S first and if it doesn't do it for you, then the Pro Track or Air Norton S will be your pickup. The Lil Screamin Demon is marginally better than the JB jr. The Hot Stack Plus is way, way better than either one of those.
 
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