Kahler hardtail

[punchlinechar]

Anyone have experience with them? It seems like it'd be a great fixed bridge. The ability to move the saddles and the fine tuners seem cool because most hardtails don't have that kind of adjustability.

I'd like to get a Jackson KVT, put one on, and pretend I'm Dave Mustaine lol

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[dystrust]

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Anyone have experience with them? It seems like it'd be a great fixed bridge. The ability to move the saddles and the fine tuners seem cool because most hardtails don't have that kind of adjustability.

I'd like to get a Jackson KVT, put one on, and pretend I'm Dave Mustaine lol

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If you're super picky about individual string height and spacing, sure. Otherwise it's overkill. I have a Kaher Trem on my Charvel Model 4 mutt, and honestly I haven't touched the saddle adjustments after getting it dialed in initially. I'd love to be able to replace it with a Hybrid so that I can lock the bridge when I need better stability when switching to drop-C#.

 

[metalchurch79]

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I put a Kahler 7330 fixed on a (new at the time) 2007 Blue Ghost Flame KVX10 and it was awesome. Love the fine tuners specifically, but there are a lot of benefits, so it is a good upgrade for lack of a better word really, cause it is.. I personally never understood why it hasn't become more popular and why it hasn't been offered up on any OEM guitars (that I'm aware of)

Be sure to get the spacer plate they sell because it covers up the stud holes on the front. Ofcourse you will still have the string thru ferrules on the rear but that didn't bother me so much anyway, but you could get a Megadeth sticker to solve that riddle.

I was also pretending to be Dave because I had an '86 JBJ/L500R in it. It was a wonderful guitar and I should have kept it. I do want another 7330 bridge because for the application is very tough to beat. 4 screws and your done. (Not really, but sort of..)

 

[punchlinechar]

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I put a Kahler 7330 fixed on a (new at the time) 2007 Blue Ghost Flame KVX10 and it was awesome. Love the fine tuners specifically, but there are a lot of benefits, so it is a good upgrade for lack of a better word really, cause it is.. I personally never understood why it hasn't become more popular and why it hasn't been offered up on any OEM guitars (that I'm aware of)

Be sure to get the spacer plate they sell because it covers up the stud holes on the front. Ofcourse you will still have the string thru ferrules on the rear but that didn't bother me so much anyway, but you could get a Megadeth sticker to solve that riddle.

I was also pretending to be Dave because I had an '86 JBJ/L500R in it. It was a wonderful guitar and I should have kept it. I do want another 7330 bridge because for the application is very tough to beat. 4 screws and your done. (Not really, but sort of..)

That guitar sounds awesome. How was the tuning stability?

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[metalchurch79]

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It held up really good for the short time I had it. I didn't have a locking nut or locking tuners, but it held tune just fine for what it was. Unfortunately that was almost 10yrs ago, so I don't have any pics. I did look to see if I could find some so you could get a look at it.

 

[dystrust]

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I put a Kahler 7330 fixed on a (new at the time) 2007 Blue Ghost Flame KVX10 and it was awesome. Love the fine tuners specifically, but there are a lot of benefits, so it is a good upgrade for lack of a better word really, cause it is.. I personally never understood why it hasn't become more popular and why it hasn't been offered up on any OEM guitars (that I'm aware of)

I'd guess they don't frequently come OEM mostly because they're a lot more expensive than a Fender-style hardtail or tune-o-matic.

That guitar sounds awesome. How was the tuning stability?

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It's a fixed bridge, so I'd expect it to be pretty stable. My Kahler trem is pretty solid if I'm not using the bar. When I do use the bar, it's in the same ballpark as a Floyd.

 

[punchlinechar]

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I'd guess they don't frequently come OEM mostly because they're a lot more expensive than a Fender-style hardtail or tune-o-matic.



It's a fixed bridge, so I'd expect it to be pretty stable. My Kahler trem is pretty solid if I'm not using the bar. When I do use the bar, it's in the same ballpark as a Floyd.

Does it take light top heavy bottom? I know Kahler says you need to change the springs, but have you had any luck using those with the stock springs?

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[punchlinechar]

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Because if it's got similar stability, than I could convert my floyd guitar to a kahler hybrid

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[metalchurch79]

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I have a Kahler 2300 that I modded with Kahler bass springs in order to use heavier gauge strings, but aside from that, like dystrust said, they are solid units made in the USA.
You mentioned about Kahler being a more expensive bridge for OEM guitars, and that is a good point, but I was thinking, and I couldn't even name one new guitar that comes with a Kahler off hand. Aside from a custom shop piece. Kahler used to have contracts with many brands back in the day, because Kramer had Floyds on lockdown there for a number of years.

 

[dystrust]

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Does it take light top heavy bottom? I know Kahler says you need to change the springs, but have you had any luck using those with the stock springs?

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I used the stock springs with 11s for a while, but I wouldn't recommend it. The tuning stability suffers badly and I'd image that it also causes the springs to wear more quickly. These days I use heavy springs with a 10-46 set in Eb because I like the slightly stiffer feel.

 

[dystrust]

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I have a Kahler 2300 that I modded with Kahler bass springs in order to use heavier gauge strings, but aside from that, like dystrust said, they are solid units made in the USA.
You mentioned about Kahler being a more expensive bridge for OEM guitars, and that is a good point, but I was thinking, and I couldn't even name one new guitar that comes with a Kahler off hand. Aside from a custom shop piece. Kahler used to have contracts with many brands back in the day, because Kramer had Floyds on lockdown there for a number of years.

The only ones I know of are the Slayer sig models.

 

[baritone]

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And the Cantrell.

 

[metalchurch79]

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Yea you guys are right, I was thinking about that last night and the Hanneman and Cantrell are the only ones that came to mind. Those are obviously guitars made to artist's spec though. I remembered that I also had a Kahler Flyer trem that I also used bass springs in so that it had a stiffer feel, almost a blocked feel, so that worked great with lighter strings and lower tuning, kinda like mentioned above..
They are certainly good products when used properly and maintained, so I never had a bad thing to say about them. I was always a member of both Floyd and Kahler camps but not too many people are like that, they either love them or hate them.

 

[Adieu]

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I personally never understood why it hasn't become more popular and why it hasn't been offered up on any OEM guitars (that I'm aware of)

Expense.

Cheapo trems and fixed bridges cost ~$5 wholesale...

Kahlers retail for $179

 

[Mincer]

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Yeah, they are expensive, and certainly over-engineered. This isn't a bad thing if you change your adjustments a lot, but I think most people just set it once and forget it.