Kiesel (Carvin) Guitars now use 6-pole bobbins and still in double cream

Re: Kiesel (Carvin) Guitars now use 6-pole bobbins and still in double cream

Mincer said:
I have to admit, I liked the Strandbergs better, but I can't say I 'get' their necks. Maybe I could adapt to it, but I am not buying a guitar I have to 'get used' to.
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I like the look of Strandbergs, but I don't think I'd get on with their neck profile personally. But you don't know until you try it.
 
Re: Kiesel (Carvin) Guitars now use 6-pole bobbins and still in double cream

GilmourD said:
They have some funky square neck, don't they?
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Well, it is more of a trapezoid, really. It has a flat spot in the back running diagonally down the neck. Great for players who play with a classical-type left hand I guess. I do that sometimes, but not all the time. They are beautiful guitars- I would never spend the money on them though with that neck (and 24 frets..ewww). I played several before.
 
Re: Kiesel (Carvin) Guitars now use 6-pole bobbins and still in double cream

KeeperOS said:


Just got this in the mail, literally first thing I noticed was that they used 6-poles per bobbin in double cream and naturally my thoughts came back to the infamous trademark.

Are they allowed to do this since the pickup is a part of their product instead of the entirety of their product and not sold separately?


P.S. please let's keep this civil, this is an honest question, not invitation to a bash-fest! :)
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Would be hard to stop Carvin from doing double cream pickups as they have been building pickups in cream since the late 1940's!! Carvin is older than Fender and for example built the pickups in the old Mosright guitars of the 1950's. They were doing double cream long before Dimarzio or Duncan were ever though about!
 
Re: Kiesel (Carvin) Guitars now use 6-pole bobbins and still in double cream

GilmourD said:
I feel as though things have gone down hill ever since they brought about the Kiesel brand and Jeff's been their mascot. He really spouts off about a lot of things, he has terrible customer service skills (has actually told customers that he liked the color he came up with better than what they ordered and would not even do a partial refund or a refinish), and then did that whole video claiming that the factory was robbed and told people to be on the lookout for specific guitars when it was actually idiot salespeople that got caught with the Nigerian scam.

Jeff should stick to making guitars and stay away from the Internet.
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Could get into a LOT on all this. Carvin has been changing for a number of years and not for the better IMO.
Participated in Carvinite gatherings had at one time one of the finest collections of Carvin "Pointies" on the planet and had a great relationship with the company back in the 90's- say 05 or 06. Still love the guitars but since the younger generation of Kiesels have taken the reigns no longer have the love for the company i once had.
Group photo from the Carvin Southeastern bash Atlanta 2005.

04 Bash

Buddy from that forum jamming on my 1993 X220C and MTS with more of my guitars in the background at the 04 Southeastern bash.

Owned 25 + Carvins at one time got so pissed off with them sold off everything except "pinky" my 1990 X220C. Cooled off some and now own a Ruby Quilt DC 400 that is my #1 guitar. Carvin guitars are still a love and if I had to own just one guitar and never pick up another would likely choose a Carvin. That said company has changed with the new generation and they have lost a lot of very loyal folk like me because of it.
 
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Re: Kiesel (Carvin) Guitars now use 6-pole bobbins and still in double cream

Kiesel still offers tons of older styles though too. They still offer their California carved top guitars, their D.C. series, and the hollowbodies. It seems like they dropped a lot of models but they actually consolidated a lot under one or two models. I mean there's no reason to have a model that costs $1200 base and offers a figured maple top and then have a model that starts at $800 base and offers maple tops at a $400 premium. In fact they've only released a few "djent sticks" for the new generation, since the change to Kiesel.
 
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Still love my Carvins.

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Yeah, it's sad to see the ST300 discontinued. But, I understand the guitar companies have to start shifting to the younger crowds if they want to stay relevant.
In my younger days it was all about Jackson, Charvel, Kramer, ESP, Carvin, Etc..
I'm sure the crowd before me hated when those guitars came out.
Nowadays, with the younger genreation, it's all about Strandberg, Ormsby, Mayones, Stictly 7, Kiesel, Charbonneau, etc...etc...
PRS is starting to get into the 7 strings. Gibson is doing the HP specs. EBMM been going hot with the new Petrucci models.
Times are a changing once again.
 
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Jackson and ESP are popular among the new crowd too. Misha Mansoor is kind of the face of the younger metal crowd and he's been using Jacksons and a signature model for a few years now. Ibanez is taking off again too. But these companies are doing it through offering what the younger guys want/need for what the want to play. It's Capitalism. If you want an 80's shred stick, most of those same companies will offer those. Charvel doesn't really do much other than that. Schecter does a solid mix of both.
 
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Exactly, JK. Ties into to what I was saying. If these companies want to stay relevant, they have to offer what the new generation wants. 7,8,9 strings, fanned frets, extended scales, headless designs, etc...
And they use it, too! I was floored by Yngwie, Vinnie Moore, Tony MacAlpine, Paul Gilbert in my day. These younger kids get that down so quick now and then some. Younger and younger, as well. Makes me want to quit.:laugh2:
 
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I looked at the catalogs and reviews for years. Virtually built guitars on their website for a decade. When I finally had a chance to pay several models at NAMM, they didn't do it for me. At all. It's cool if they work for some people, but they didn't for me.
 
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I have been jonesing for an ST300 with piezo pickups for years
Just as I get where I can make that happen
This happens
Fudge
Fudge it all
 
Re: Kiesel (Carvin) Guitars now use 6-pole bobbins and still in double cream

Mincer said:
I looked at the catalogs and reviews for years. Virtually built guitars on their website for a decade. When I finally had a chance to pay several models at NAMM, they didn't do it for me. At all. It's cool if they work for some people, but they didn't for me.
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Same here. One of my friends got a DC of some sort and the neck was WAY too thin and wide for me.
 
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