SteveAlysis
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What's the hype? Seriously... $1000 for a pedal? Peeps is KWAZY
KLON...
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J
Jessie's ghost
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Re: KLON...
No kidding. It was all I could do to scrape together the money for an OCD. And even that didn't get me very far. "That ain't gonna getcha one-third the way there…"
No kidding. It was all I could do to scrape together the money for an OCD. And even that didn't get me very far. "That ain't gonna getcha one-third the way there…"
UberMetalDood
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I wouldn't pay $1000 for a Klon, but I have heard them and they are really good. It's not about how they sound because no pedal is going to make anyone sound like David Gilmour or Eric Johson. It's about how it interacts with your amp and how it responds to your technique. There is something really cool about how the Klon interacts with an amplifier. It's not really a mid hump tube screamer.
In fact, I have a Maxon OD820 which is based on the Klon from what I have read. I do think the two pedals sound very similar, but I have stuck with my OD820 for longer than any other piece of equipment I have owned. I have been thinking about buying a Klon clone, but they're still pricey and go for anywhere from $200-600. I thought about getting a Velvet Minotaur, but I wouldn't pay more than $160-180 for one. They claim to be the closest in every way to the real Klon, except with superior components.
Whether their claim is true, I don't know. There aren't many sound samples out there, but based on the way they describe it, there is a good reason to get one.
I wouldn't pay $1000 for a Klon, but I have heard them and they are really good. It's not about how they sound because no pedal is going to make anyone sound like David Gilmour or Eric Johson. It's about how it interacts with your amp and how it responds to your technique. There is something really cool about how the Klon interacts with an amplifier. It's not really a mid hump tube screamer.
In fact, I have a Maxon OD820 which is based on the Klon from what I have read. I do think the two pedals sound very similar, but I have stuck with my OD820 for longer than any other piece of equipment I have owned. I have been thinking about buying a Klon clone, but they're still pricey and go for anywhere from $200-600. I thought about getting a Velvet Minotaur, but I wouldn't pay more than $160-180 for one. They claim to be the closest in every way to the real Klon, except with superior components.
Whether their claim is true, I don't know. There aren't many sound samples out there, but based on the way they describe it, there is a good reason to get one.
SirJackdeFuzz
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Re: KLON...
Get a Rocktron Austin Gold . . . it's the poor man's Klon !
Get a Rocktron Austin Gold . . . it's the poor man's Klon !
TwilightOdyssey
Darkness on the edge of Tone
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It's a shame so few people have used a Klon firsthand; there are so many misconceptions/superstitions/voodoo/snake oil salesmen willing to take advantage of that fact ...
There are enough "Klon"-like pedals out there to make this entire point moot. Tone Monk has a great version, too, if you like what the Klon does.
It's a shame so few people have used a Klon firsthand; there are so many misconceptions/superstitions/voodoo/snake oil salesmen willing to take advantage of that fact ...
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
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It's a simple issue of supply and demand...
Way more people want a Klon than there are Klons to be had.
On top of the simple S&D issue once they start selling for big dollars there is a mystique that forms plus there are lots of people that can' or won't pay the big bucks which leads to a load of speculation about what it is pr what it does...
It's just an overdrive/Boost pedal, plain and simple.
It's a simple issue of supply and demand...
Way more people want a Klon than there are Klons to be had.
On top of the simple S&D issue once they start selling for big dollars there is a mystique that forms plus there are lots of people that can' or won't pay the big bucks which leads to a load of speculation about what it is pr what it does...
It's just an overdrive/Boost pedal, plain and simple.
TwilightOdyssey
Darkness on the edge of Tone
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And a very narrow-focus one at that. The BB Preamp is much more versatile and it applicable to many more situations than the Klon.
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
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Things like this never even touch on how versatile something is...a Trainwreck is not a verasitile amp to me nor is a Dumble and yes I have first hand info but that doesn't stop them from bringing big, big bucks and having more clones of them that the law should allow...
Klons are great for what they do as are Wrecks, Dumbles, etc but thay are by no means the end all, greatest thing ever.
In my situation and for my needs the AnalogMan King of Tone does everything a Klon does, does it better and also does more but thats just me...
Things like this never even touch on how versatile something is...a Trainwreck is not a verasitile amp to me nor is a Dumble and yes I have first hand info but that doesn't stop them from bringing big, big bucks and having more clones of them that the law should allow...
Klons are great for what they do as are Wrecks, Dumbles, etc but thay are by no means the end all, greatest thing ever.
In my situation and for my needs the AnalogMan King of Tone does everything a Klon does, does it better and also does more but thats just me...
guitfiddle
firstlessonologist
Aceman
I am your doctor of love!
Re: KLON...
Hey - if you are gonna sell, sell exclusive high end! Kudos to Klon.
That said - as with guitars, stomp boxes, bicycles, thongs, whatever - there are only $10 bucks of parts in any of these things.
again - blind "listenings" is really the way to go. Too easy to be swayed by critiques and artists getting this stuff for free, intarweb mythology, and lack of good sense.
If a Dano Fabtone makes your joyous noise - so be it. If it's an OCD pedal, great. But buy with your ears - not your eyes.
"The way it interacts with the amp" - WTF? Get real - EVERY OD pedal interacts with the amp the same way: Signal of a given level, grit, and frequency goes in. The end.
Like christian said, it's an OD pedal. There are hundreds of them. Seriously, at least 5 of them will do it for you. Some may cost less than (GASP) one hundred dollars....
Hey - if you are gonna sell, sell exclusive high end! Kudos to Klon.
That said - as with guitars, stomp boxes, bicycles, thongs, whatever - there are only $10 bucks of parts in any of these things.
again - blind "listenings" is really the way to go. Too easy to be swayed by critiques and artists getting this stuff for free, intarweb mythology, and lack of good sense.
If a Dano Fabtone makes your joyous noise - so be it. If it's an OCD pedal, great. But buy with your ears - not your eyes.
"The way it interacts with the amp" - WTF? Get real - EVERY OD pedal interacts with the amp the same way: Signal of a given level, grit, and frequency goes in. The end.
Like christian said, it's an OD pedal. There are hundreds of them. Seriously, at least 5 of them will do it for you. Some may cost less than (GASP) one hundred dollars....
MetalManiac
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the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: KLON...
Not at all...tried a Klon, liked the Klon but it my set up and for my needs the KoT is a better fit...it's 2 channels, each channel has 3 modes plus it's true bypass which I prefer over the buffer in the Klon.
Not at all...tried a Klon, liked the Klon but it my set up and for my needs the KoT is a better fit...it's 2 channels, each channel has 3 modes plus it's true bypass which I prefer over the buffer in the Klon.
J
Jessie's ghost
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It's not quite that simple. Dirt pedals behave in non-linear ways. Different pedals create different gain structures, different mixes of harmonics. The amp behaves in non-linear ways, too, An amp that's a little dirty, even more so. People talk about an amp's character adding to the pedal's character, but it's more like the pedal's character is multiplied by the amp's character.
It's not quite that simple. Dirt pedals behave in non-linear ways. Different pedals create different gain structures, different mixes of harmonics. The amp behaves in non-linear ways, too, An amp that's a little dirty, even more so. People talk about an amp's character adding to the pedal's character, but it's more like the pedal's character is multiplied by the amp's character.
J
Jessie's ghost
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Luke Duke
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They are only so high because they are out of production. Same thing as 1959 LPs....there were only a finite amount made. Thus the price was inflated.
I once had an opportunity to buy a first run silver case with silkscreening for $250....I was broke and passed. STOOPID! It sounded great with my amps, felt good....great overall pedal.
When I couldn't find a Klon I eventually bought a Banzai Cold Fusion. I compared it side by side with a Klon. The CF had more volume and was brighter, the Klon was more gritty and warmer.
Luke
They are only so high because they are out of production. Same thing as 1959 LPs....there were only a finite amount made. Thus the price was inflated.
I once had an opportunity to buy a first run silver case with silkscreening for $250....I was broke and passed. STOOPID! It sounded great with my amps, felt good....great overall pedal.
When I couldn't find a Klon I eventually bought a Banzai Cold Fusion. I compared it side by side with a Klon. The CF had more volume and was brighter, the Klon was more gritty and warmer.
Luke
MetalManiac
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Thats a simplistic explanation. There are plenty of gear things that were only made in very limited numbers that aren't worth nearly that much...and thats to say the least.
Obviously(?) the Klon is a great pedal..sure, its scarce and subject to hyperinflated prices, but I'd be willing to bet that a Klon Clone just doesn't capture the true tone of a rare genuine Centaur.
Thats a simplistic explanation. There are plenty of gear things that were only made in very limited numbers that aren't worth nearly that much...and thats to say the least.
Obviously(?) the Klon is a great pedal..sure, its scarce and subject to hyperinflated prices, but I'd be willing to bet that a Klon Clone just doesn't capture the true tone of a rare genuine Centaur.
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Gearjoneser
Gear Ho
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Best $240 I ever spent, since I got an original 6 years after they came out, and have used it ever since. It's not just hype, there's something special about that piece of gear; like a Neve console, Roland delay, Urei 1176, Shure 57, or Neumann U47.
Best $240 I ever spent, since I got an original 6 years after they came out, and have used it ever since. It's not just hype, there's something special about that piece of gear; like a Neve console, Roland delay, Urei 1176, Shure 57, or Neumann U47.
Luke Duke
PRSlustologist
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Supply and demand doesn't require a complicated explanation. It is what it is. If there were more Klons the price wouldn't be as high....if people were willing to wait to have one made instead of needing instant gratification the used market wouldn't have been higher than the new market, and finally if they were still being made they wouldn't be so high.
I'd be willing to bet dollars to dimes that most guys couldn't tell a difference. That said, I think Christian's version of the CF was closer to the Klon than mine. Christian's was darker, and had less gain. It was the old version in the Hammond enclosure. FWIW I've seen a Klon and a CF tore apart about they both use the double gang pot which is at the heart of the interactive controls.
Luke
Supply and demand doesn't require a complicated explanation. It is what it is. If there were more Klons the price wouldn't be as high....if people were willing to wait to have one made instead of needing instant gratification the used market wouldn't have been higher than the new market, and finally if they were still being made they wouldn't be so high.
I'd be willing to bet dollars to dimes that most guys couldn't tell a difference. That said, I think Christian's version of the CF was closer to the Klon than mine. Christian's was darker, and had less gain. It was the old version in the Hammond enclosure. FWIW I've seen a Klon and a CF tore apart about they both use the double gang pot which is at the heart of the interactive controls.
Luke
Chickenwings
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Re: KLON...
i just dont get why someone doesn't buy one and reverse engineer it.
i just dont get why someone doesn't buy one and reverse engineer it.