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Wow, just, Wow!
There are a lot of revered players that I don't get into much, but I can't say that I don't see anything good in their work.
EVH did rewrite the book you are living.
Wow, just, Wow!
There are a lot of revered players that I don't get into much, but I can't say that I don't see anything good in their work.
EVH did rewrite the book you are living.
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That;s like one of my best friends dissing EVH saying "VanhalenSucks" yet somehow his playing evolved over the yhears into a drum/Electric guitar duo, where he taps everything! (Right-handed hammer-ons).
I'm surprised nobody said upper structure triads/spread voicings vs. Tremelo/and/or two-handed tapping/right handed hammer-ons!
Do you guys even play guitar?
That;s like one of my best friends dissing EVH saying "VanhalenSucks" yet somehow his playing evolved over the yhears into a drum/Electric guitar duo, where he taps everything! (Right-handed hammer-ons).
I'm surprised nobody said upper structure triads/spread voicings vs. Tremelo/and/or two-handed tapping/right handed hammer-ons!
Do you guys even play guitar?
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I like them both. I actually met Jimmy twice. Once when he played with "Jazz is Dead" and the other time with the Allman Brothers. This was three years apart and he actually remembered me and was a really humble and cool guy both times. I haven't met Ed and probably would turn into a stupid pile of Jell-O if I did (I'm sure he's used to it) but I've heard he's really nice to fans and fellow guitarists.
I'm sure Jimmy would say that Eddie is as important as any guitar player and I'm sure he was, to some extent, inspired by him in his youth. Eddie would probably like Jimmy's playing being as accomplished and unique as he is.
They both kick ass in completely separate musical worlds.
I like them both. I actually met Jimmy twice. Once when he played with "Jazz is Dead" and the other time with the Allman Brothers. This was three years apart and he actually remembered me and was a really humble and cool guy both times. I haven't met Ed and probably would turn into a stupid pile of Jell-O if I did (I'm sure he's used to it) but I've heard he's really nice to fans and fellow guitarists.
I'm sure Jimmy would say that Eddie is as important as any guitar player and I'm sure he was, to some extent, inspired by him in his youth. Eddie would probably like Jimmy's playing being as accomplished and unique as he is.
They both kick ass in completely separate musical worlds.
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That's cool to know that greatness can still be cool, and I agree.
When I was younger, I was into all the more widely known guitar players (classic rock radio)...then in 2002 I saw Phil Lesh and Friends with Jimmy and Warren, and was blown away!
It was like I discovered some hidden pocket universe where the best musicians were playing together both complementary and contrary. Maybe even a showdown like the wild west, maybe even sparring. And when they announced each band member, I was amazed to hear the crowd roar for the guitar players!
And then years later saw the Dead with Jimmy and maybe the sound was different being in a big boomy stadium, but. Just couldn't hear their sound like I did under the stars. Then I started thinking that the "Showdown" is how it should be man! With all the mainstream greats getting in on the act like tournament with match-ups based on technique and style!
That's cool to know that greatness can still be cool, and I agree.
When I was younger, I was into all the more widely known guitar players (classic rock radio)...then in 2002 I saw Phil Lesh and Friends with Jimmy and Warren, and was blown away!
It was like I discovered some hidden pocket universe where the best musicians were playing together both complementary and contrary. Maybe even a showdown like the wild west, maybe even sparring. And when they announced each band member, I was amazed to hear the crowd roar for the guitar players!
And then years later saw the Dead with Jimmy and maybe the sound was different being in a big boomy stadium, but. Just couldn't hear their sound like I did under the stars. Then I started thinking that the "Showdown" is how it should be man! With all the mainstream greats getting in on the act like tournament with match-ups based on technique and style!
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Well, I'm just a multi-genre weirdo, who likes: Classical, Jazz, Jam bands, Metal, Punk, Reggae, Funk, Hardcore, Pop, Classic Rock, Zappa (he has his own genre, IMO), Prog Rock, etc, etc, etc... I like all forms of music, but also realize there is bad music within each genre. As a drummer I played all the above mentioned styles in some form or another over the years and I'm proud of my aim towards versatility. So these sorts of comparisons bug me, especially the trolls and haters on YouTube who have to "go there" with comparing apples and oranges in an inflammatory way. Go on YouTube and type in "Buddy Rich" read the comments and you'll see what I mean... "TRAVIS BARKER RULEZ" kind of crap. Gimme a break.
Music should not be a competition. It's art.
Well, I'm just a multi-genre weirdo, who likes: Classical, Jazz, Jam bands, Metal, Punk, Reggae, Funk, Hardcore, Pop, Classic Rock, Zappa (he has his own genre, IMO), Prog Rock, etc, etc, etc... I like all forms of music, but also realize there is bad music within each genre. As a drummer I played all the above mentioned styles in some form or another over the years and I'm proud of my aim towards versatility. So these sorts of comparisons bug me, especially the trolls and haters on YouTube who have to "go there" with comparing apples and oranges in an inflammatory way. Go on YouTube and type in "Buddy Rich" read the comments and you'll see what I mean... "TRAVIS BARKER RULEZ" kind of crap. Gimme a break.
Music should not be a competition. It's art.
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"Music should not be a competition." -posted by IanBallard
Maybe I came off in a negative way when I started this post. And in no way do I mean any disrespect to any of these leaders of human consciousness via art via music via guitar (my principal instrument).
I will look for comments about the great Buddy Rich (a friend's idol, he's a drummer), ignorant or otherwise.
But I don't see competition in music a bad thing within the realm of playing together for the fun and sharing the energy two champions bring to the pallete to create something together that is greater as a whole than the sum of their parts..
But when I listen to the jams by Phil & Friends GOTV 2002, and I hear the phrases these Goliaths summon and shape out of maleable improvisations (Warren played a cool symmetrical phrase/shape one time), I can't help but think that at one time or another, one guitar player got to a certain lick first, and if the other didn't either shade it with contrast, or scrap it altogether, or spin it and take it to a totally different place, there wouldn't be that constant pushing/pulling and shifting of energy that keeps both champions on their toes (or tips of their fingers?) and the rest of us tuned (glued?) into the music.
Really, the coolest thing about two different guitar players battling is that nevermind their styles being different because they are two different unique human beings, but each one will have refined his/her style over DECADES with no two paths ever starting, sustaining, and ending exactly the same. How about Zakk Wylde Vs. Slash? Or John Frusciante? The reason I picked Eddie is because his fluency across many different styles, he'd be a great "First round pick" to challenge someone with improvisatory chops like Jimmy Herring at the hippie mushroom festival!
"Music should not be a competition." -posted by IanBallard
Maybe I came off in a negative way when I started this post. And in no way do I mean any disrespect to any of these leaders of human consciousness via art via music via guitar (my principal instrument).
I will look for comments about the great Buddy Rich (a friend's idol, he's a drummer), ignorant or otherwise.
But I don't see competition in music a bad thing within the realm of playing together for the fun and sharing the energy two champions bring to the pallete to create something together that is greater as a whole than the sum of their parts..
But when I listen to the jams by Phil & Friends GOTV 2002, and I hear the phrases these Goliaths summon and shape out of maleable improvisations (Warren played a cool symmetrical phrase/shape one time), I can't help but think that at one time or another, one guitar player got to a certain lick first, and if the other didn't either shade it with contrast, or scrap it altogether, or spin it and take it to a totally different place, there wouldn't be that constant pushing/pulling and shifting of energy that keeps both champions on their toes (or tips of their fingers?) and the rest of us tuned (glued?) into the music.
Really, the coolest thing about two different guitar players battling is that nevermind their styles being different because they are two different unique human beings, but each one will have refined his/her style over DECADES with no two paths ever starting, sustaining, and ending exactly the same. How about Zakk Wylde Vs. Slash? Or John Frusciante? The reason I picked Eddie is because his fluency across many different styles, he'd be a great "First round pick" to challenge someone with improvisatory chops like Jimmy Herring at the hippie mushroom festival!
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Years ago, while guitarists began to buzz about Eddie and some of the big names were quite jealous and mean to him, he himself was blown away by the amazing Allan Holdsworth when UK opened up for them in 1978. But even he was so perplexed by the improvisation and annoyed by them "playing for themselves" that it was bittersweet. He and Allan developed a report and became friends and Allan taught Eddie some "legato" techniques and Allan learned hammer-on tapping licks. Eddie really could never hold a candle to Allan's sheer imagination and command of playing over chord changes, but on the other hand, he really isn't into that kind of music. But the point is, as a community these greats learn from each other and evolve the art, not by "besting each other" but by respecting those who do things they can't do.
Years ago, while guitarists began to buzz about Eddie and some of the big names were quite jealous and mean to him, he himself was blown away by the amazing Allan Holdsworth when UK opened up for them in 1978. But even he was so perplexed by the improvisation and annoyed by them "playing for themselves" that it was bittersweet. He and Allan developed a report and became friends and Allan taught Eddie some "legato" techniques and Allan learned hammer-on tapping licks. Eddie really could never hold a candle to Allan's sheer imagination and command of playing over chord changes, but on the other hand, he really isn't into that kind of music. But the point is, as a community these greats learn from each other and evolve the art, not by "besting each other" but by respecting those who do things they can't do.
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Who is this Allan Holdsworth, and where do I start on his trail?
Btw, that's really humbling, and a good anecdote to keep one's ego in check.
Who is this Allan Holdsworth, and where do I start on his trail?
Btw, that's really humbling, and a good anecdote to keep one's ego in check.
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Who is this Allan Holdsworth, and where do I start on his trail?
Btw, that's really humbling, and a good anecdote to keep one's ego in check.
Who is this Allan Holdsworth, and where do I start on his trail?
Btw, that's really humbling, and a good anecdote to keep one's ego in check.
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This is one of my fav clips of his earlier playing.
Here's one from the band Eddie witnessed in 1978:
This is one of my fav clips of his earlier playing.
Here's one from the band Eddie witnessed in 1978:
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Now that's talent! (Soft Machine) Listen to how many subdivisions he transcends and Fluidly!...yet little if any fat!
That dude must play a LOT!
See...my old bluesy roomate (who got me into Jimi btw) never seemed to appreciate the time and place for fast playing, 'cause just like Slash, Zakk, Frusciante, and myself, he could never traverse so many different levels of subdivision with any substance or meaning with same fluidity asHoldsworth in that clip. Now...you might hear the exact same thing phrased slightly different in thisfirst clip after watching/listening to it a few times. But it is no less impressive than the cultivation of decades of maturation and flawless execution of the second. (If only Randy were alive...damn you coccaine!!!)
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=ATub40Npxik
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=WtRk1YSpcKU
Now that's talent! (Soft Machine) Listen to how many subdivisions he transcends and Fluidly!...yet little if any fat!
That dude must play a LOT!
See...my old bluesy roomate (who got me into Jimi btw) never seemed to appreciate the time and place for fast playing, 'cause just like Slash, Zakk, Frusciante, and myself, he could never traverse so many different levels of subdivision with any substance or meaning with same fluidity asHoldsworth in that clip. Now...you might hear the exact same thing phrased slightly different in thisfirst clip after watching/listening to it a few times. But it is no less impressive than the cultivation of decades of maturation and flawless execution of the second. (If only Randy were alive...damn you coccaine!!!)
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=ATub40Npxik
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=WtRk1YSpcKU
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