LP Custom Look at half the price

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That's not a custom, its a standard. And it's still priced too high. And it's got gold hardware. That's a pass for me.
 
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Find yourself a nice 80's/90's LP. Then you'll have an 'all' LP custom for about the same $$$
 
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No ebony, or block inlays. It doesn't look like a Custom to me, but if those things don't matter, I am sure it is a nice LP.
 
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So you're saying that if I ordered a Custom and wanted chrome hardware I wouldn't get it?

As a custom shop order? I guess you could. Does Gibson do that stuff?

Gold hardware was always standard on Customs. That was Les Paul's idea. He called that the "tuxedo" model.


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So you're saying that if I ordered a Custom and wanted chrome hardware I wouldn't get it?
I think you'd need the silverburst if they still do them to get that. Otherwise no.
Not sure if M2M includes regular Customs, but as that would add so much $$$ you might as well swap the h/w yourself.
 
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I think you'd need the silverburst if they still do them to get that. Otherwise no.
Not sure if M2M includes regular Customs, but as that would add so much $$$ you might as well swap the h/w yourself.

Wow...I wasn't aware of that. I would have figured you could get exactly what you want. Go figure!
 
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Wow...I wasn't aware of that. I would have figured you could get exactly what you want. Go figure!

The Custom is simply the model name. It doesn't mean anything about being able to customise the guitar, and never has. To have any degree of control over the spec VASTLY increases the cost of the guitar, and is usually reserved for the cream of the crop range. This is the same with all of the major firms.
 
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Custom means fancy inlays, ebony board, and gold hardware.

The Custom is simply the model name. It doesn't mean anything about being able to customise the guitar, and never has. To have any degree of control over the spec VASTLY increases the cost of the guitar, and is usually reserved for the cream of the crop range. This is the same with all of the major firms.

I'll stick with my standard then....I'm not a fan of gold hardware
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The Custom, being the deluxe model, also has fancier binding, and the back of the body is bound.

Les Paul originally asked Gibson to put a maple cap on the Custom but not the Standard. Gibson, which screwed up various aspects of the guitar (such as too shallow a neck angle on the original gold top with the trapeze bridge) right from the start (ironic since Ted McCarty designed it) ended up putting the maple cap on the standard, but not the Custom!
These days they both have maple caps.

Les must like gold because the gold top was his idea also.


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Don't like it, personally. The Standard neck on the Custom body kinda makes it look like a suspicious Chibson, lol.
 
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I finish and put my own guitars together. Essentially custom made within my budget.

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Bah- typical half-@$$ed Gibson design. Solving a problem no one had with a guitar no one wants by slapping a goofy set of features together, patting themselves on the back, then over pricing g it.
 
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The Custom, being the deluxe model, also has fancier binding, and the back of the body is bound.

Les Paul originally asked Gibson to put a maple cap on the Custom but not the Standard. Gibson, which screwed up various aspects of the guitar (such as too shallow a neck angle on the original gold top with the trapeze bridge) right from the start (ironic since Ted McCarty designed it) ended up putting the maple cap on the standard, but not the Custom!
These days they both have maple caps.

Les must like gold because the gold top was his idea also.


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The majority of the design and the woods were not due to Les, but Ted McCarty. Les gave them some tonal goals but the way that the guitar ended up was much more toward what Gibson had designed rather than Les.
And the neck angle wasn't 'screwed up' necessarily. It fitted the way the guitar was intended to be made perfectly. I do think that some playing possibilities opened up that perhaps weren't thought of.
The custom with its ebony fretboard used all mahogany in the body to keep the relative brightness to be similar.....the relative strength of the 2 changes is a bit debatable but there you go.
 
LP Custom Look at half the price

The majority of the design and the woods were not due to Les, but Ted McCarty. Les gave them some tonal goals but the way that the guitar ended up was much more toward what Gibson had designed rather than Les.

Les had very little to do with the design of the guitar. I said Ted designed it. Then they approached Les.

But Les DID want certain things. Originally he wanted the body to be rock maple. But that would have been too heavy. So he figured that 3/4" was thick enough to make it sound as if the body was maple.

He hated the carved top too.

And the neck angle wasn't 'screwed up' necessarily. It fitted the way the guitar was intended to be made perfectly.

Nope. That's not how It works. Have you ever built a guitar? The neck angle matches the height of the bridge.

Les had invented and patented the trapeze bridge. That parent number is what appears on the humbucking pickup! Why? No one is quite sure.

But regardless, Les expected the strings to run OVER the bridge so he could palm mute. But the early models had too shallow a neck angle, so Gibson ran the strings UNDER the bridge, making palm muting impossible. The shallow neck angle otherwise made the strings too high off the fretboard.

This was corrected on later models by increasing the neck angle and later McCarty designed the Tune-O-Matic bridge and stop tailpiece so Les could palm mute.

Les was not happy with these goof ups. You can find interviews with him saying so.

The custom with its ebony fretboard used all mahogany in the body to keep the relative brightness to be similar.....the relative strength of the 2 changes is a bit debatable but there you go.

You are over thinking it. Gibson *never* thought about the tone. Mahogany has traditionally been used for guitars, especially neck, because it's easy to carve, due to the lack of grain lines. It was the traditional wood used by pattern makers too.

Ebony was used on the Custom because it's thought of as a fancier wood, and Les wanted the guitar to be black like a piano. Les specified a maple top for the Custom. That was the guitar he's often pictured with.

Gibson also never picked "special" parts for the guitars or pickups. They used what was available.

Here's the guitar that Les actually designed as his personal model.
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You are incorrect on quite a few things.
Gibson did care about tone.....in fact the were a lot prototypes of woods and dimensions before the final product came out in order to make the tone what was required. This is all in reading material for you to peruse.

Gibson made the 52 for it to go under, regardless of what Les wanted. I'm not sure what you know about guitar building, but I'm suspecting not too much if you think that the angle was cut wrong so suddenly at the point of assembly they discovered it couldn't go over. The dimension/thickness of the maple top as well as the neck angle would have had to change in order for it to go over the top. So that counts your theory out 100%.
 
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