LTD ST-213 owner? Need help

donaldr

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I just grabbed an LTD ST-213 in natural Ash with rosewood fingerboard for cheap. What an amazing guitar!!!
Stock pickups (vintage output) are good enough for me as they sound very open, clear and not muddy. One of the first strat sound I liked playing clean and crunch (Matchless DC30), she even handles distortion well ('80s hair rock on a Plexi), but I rewired one of the tone pot to bridge pickup.

Only problem is bridge pickup is a bit quieter than neck and middle. I tried lowering neck and middle pickups but I'm loosing their sweet spot and they become dull. I tried raising the bridge but still not a bit quieter.

When I rewired one of the tone pot to the bridge pickup I noticed that each pickup has different wire color, so likely each one was design for their specific location: neck, middle, bridge. I suspect that previous owner interchanged them when swapping pickup covers as the DC resistance is (measured using all pots on full and 3' cable): neck=5.75, middle=5.70, bridge=5.5. I know the DC resistance is not accurate 100% but since they are the same design alnico 5 pickups in the same guitar I'm comparing apples to apples. I find it a bit weird that bridge is lower DC than neck/middle.

So owners, what wire color do you have for neck, middle and bridge please?

If they are installed properly, and as I usually prefer a tiny bit louder bridge pickup, I will try an STK-S7 I have in neck poisition of another strat to see how it sounds in the bridge position of the ST-213. If still not on par I would look for Duncan/Dimarzio offering ;-)
 
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Sounds like they may have wired something wrong or put the neck/bridge pickup in backwards IMO. I've had a couple of those guitars and never noticed anything like that with the stock pickups. I did end up swapping the pickups out on each one, but there was nothing wrong IMO with the stock pickups or the output.

Sorry, but I can't recall what the colors for each one was.
 
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Received an answer from ESP so for reference: neck=white, middle=yellow, bridge=blue.
I will remove my pickguard in the next few days to compare.
 
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Had one but immediately replaced the pickups...sorry, can't help. But sounds like ESP was able to give you some good info.

On a side note, these are great guitars for the price.
 
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Thanks

Out of curiosity what have you end up with?

I tried some different things on the different guitars, but my favorite was a Duncan Lil 59 in the bridge and a DiMarzio VV54 Pro in the neck and a DiMarzio Injector Neck in the middle.
 
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Will probably try a Dimarzio VV54 Pro in the bridge if I don't like the STK-S7.
 
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Honestly I think I found an amazing one (tried 2-3 in the past that were not that nice). The wood is gorgeous, the fit and finish perfect, unplugged sounds big, and so easy to play. The pickups are good and usable (for what I'm using this guitar for), but probably far from SD ;-)
 
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I have a 203, the pickups weren't bad at all, but I went with two demons and a duck in mine
 
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I have a LTD 213 ash with a maple fretboard, and major upgrades (Wilkinson WVP6SRCH tremolo, Planet Waves locking tuners, and SD pickups). Went with a Hot Rails bridge and Vintage Stack middle and neck, and now it sings. Hot Rails is wired to series/parallel volume push/pull pot, and I always found stock pickups lacking in every sense. Awesome guitar, cheap as hell (got mine brand for200 Euros) but unlike you I hated the stock pickups and wiring...
 
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Went with a Hot Rails bridge and Vintage Stack middle and neck, and now it sings
Are you talking about STK-S7? If so how do you compare them, volume wise, to the original pickups? I have one in another guitar but prefer an opinion before lobotomizing both guitars.
 
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Sorry, I was posting late at night. I have the Classic Stacks in both the middle and neck positions. The Hot Rails is a bit louder, but if you mess with the height of all three pickups you can find a compromise in output.

On the stock pickups, I found them all to be way too bassy and undefined. Since I wanted a hot-rodded Strat, I went with the HR/CS/CS combo. The HR in parallel does vintage-y tones well, both alone and when combined with the middle CS.

The middle and neck Stacks do convey the vintage vibe of single coils with the hum. I find tone to be chimey for my needs, and the CS neck handles gainier tones surprisingly well.

Can't comment on the Vintage Stack, since I prefer different sounds from different pickups on my guitars, as long as they work well with each other. For what I wanted the Vintage Stack is higher output than the CS.
 
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After tweaking the height of neck/middle/bridge pickups I came up with a balanced volume from one pickup to the other. What really fixed everything is by moving the middle tone to the bridge pickup and sharing the neck tone with the middle pickup.
Then I created patches on my Eleven Rack (clean/crunch/lead) based on the Matchless DC-30 specifically for this guitar. Now it's pure blues tone!!!
 
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Re: LTD ST-213 owner? Need help

After tweaking the height of neck/middle/bridge pickups I came up with a balanced volume from one pickup to the other. What really fixed everything is by moving the middle tone to the bridge pickup and sharing the neck tone with the middle pickup.
Then I created patches on my Eleven Rack (clean/crunch/lead) based on the Matchless DC-30 specifically for this guitar. Now it's pure blues tone!!!
I like that use of tone knobs a lot more than stock, I've done that on a lot of my starts over the years.
 
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