MARSHALL DSL 40 vs TSL 60

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hi - what is the main different between MARSHALL DSL 40 vs TSL 60 combo vs JVM 50Watt combo
as i cant decided which one to get.
what is the clean and dist sound between them.
which one sound better with the master vol at a lower setting.
which one has a better dist sound


the speaker - intend to change to celestion after i got either of them.
 
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I have a TSL 601, which has 2 x EL34's, I belive the DSL 401 uses EL84 valves. If you do decide to get a 401, try and get one of the later ones as there were issues of the early ones overheating...
 
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I have owned both. I kept the TSL601. The DLS401 is not an El34 type amp, and while it had a good clean channel which would probably sound killer with a Marshall Jackhammer pedal, the gain channel on those amps suck in my opinion. I also had one of the DSL 201 amps and both had a "pie tin taped to the back of the speaker" buzziness to the distortion which you couldn't dial out. I decided it was not worth keeping a Marshall for the CLEAN channel only and traded up to the TSL601. One thing I love about these amps is that the bias can be set from the outside of the amp in about 2 seconds flat! Wish every amp I had was so easy. After some tube swapping to find your tone and a lot of tweaking, I think the TSL series is a pretty fantastic little combo.
 
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how can i know if they were the later version ?

By the way how do you find the TSL601 ?
Is there a need to change the speaker?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bwIwsP-d9g&feature=related

I have the original Wolverine speaker in mine, and have toyed with swapping it out. I usually use the clean channel, and get my drive from a Plexitone. On the occassions that I use the amp's drive channels, I usually push them a little with the Jekyll side of my J&H pedal (a bit like a tubescreamer). I find that with my G&L Legacy, the distorted tones can be a bit harsh. The pedal helps me to smooth things out. There's a lot of distortion on tap and a wide variation of tones available. They sometimes take a little while to dial in, and get your tone.
 
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whAT tubes did you change to???

I have owned both. I kept the TSL601. The DLS401 is not an El34 type amp, and while it had a good clean channel which would probably sound killer with a Marshall Jackhammer pedal, the gain channel on those amps suck in my opinion. I also had one of the DSL 201 amps and both had a "pie tin taped to the back of the speaker" buzziness to the distortion which you couldn't dial out. I decided it was not worth keeping a Marshall for the CLEAN channel only and traded up to the TSL601. One thing I love about these amps is that the bias can be set from the outside of the amp in about 2 seconds flat! Wish every amp I had was so easy. After some tube swapping to find your tone and a lot of tweaking, I think the TSL series is a pretty fantastic little combo.
 
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I've got JJ EL34L's in mine, I'm planning on swapping the preamp tubes soon. The JJ's made a nice difference to the tone, warmed it up and tamed a bit of the top end fizz. I'm hoping the speaker change will get rid of the rest and thicken things up a little...
 
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is there any reliability problem with the amp /

Does the amp sound great at low volume ?
Or at what volume does the AMP REALLY kick in??

Seem like will be getting the TSL601 instead of the DSL401
 
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JJ's. By the way, I have found that I like a straight set of standard 12ax7s in the pre-amp instead of the Calibrated "higher gain" for certain slots that Eurotubes and similar tube matchers recommend.
 
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JJ's. By the way, I have found that I like a straight set of standard 12ax7s in the pre-amp instead of the Calibrated "higher gain" for certain slots that Eurotubes and similar tube matchers recommend.

Yeah, the lower gain preamp valves seem to suit this amp. I put a Phillips ECC81 in V1, and if it wasn't for the fact that the valve was microphonic it would still be there!!
 
Re: MARSHALL DSL 40 vs TSL 60

is there any reliability problem with the amp /

Does the amp sound great at low volume ?
Or at what volume does the AMP REALLY kick in??

Seem like will be getting the TSL601 instead of the DSL401

I've had no reliability issues, and as with all valve amps, the higher you can get those power amp valves working, the better. I try and set master as high as poss, and adjust gain and vol using the pre settings. The amp does ok at lower volumes, but that's the norm for valve amps really...
 
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I have a TSL 601, which has 2 x EL34's, I belive the DSL 401 uses EL84 valves. If you do decide to get a 401, try and get one of the later ones as there were issues of the early ones overheating...
BIG TIME overheating. Mine gave me a LOT of hell. But I guess they've fixed them now.

It had a killer clean sound, and the OD was great (if the amp was turned up a ways) (and if you don't want the amp to totally clean up with volume/pick attack).

It is to be noted that JJ power tubes really brought the amp to life.

It was a looker too:

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Just like to add on to the list.

What about the JVM series ?

Have just found out that both the DSL 401 and the TSL601 had been around for along time and almost going to be discontiune.


Should i get the DSL or the TSL or the JVM

How do they compare to each other?
 
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I haven't tried a JVM, but I've read good things about them and they do a 50watt 1x12.
 
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Will the 2x12 sound louder then the 1x12???

I m staying in a really confine space...
 
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It will certainly appear louder because you'll have a bigger spread in sound.
 
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I guess I will chime in-

I used to own a DSL 401. Sorry I havent read every post in detail, so disregard any inconsistencies. I never got a chance to play either of the other combos you mentioned, so I cannot compare them. However, if I wasnt poor at the time (well, I still am, but) I would have kept that amp. The cleans were great coming from a Marshall. Very spanky, full, and it just sounded like a Marshall clean channel.

Both OD channels however needed something else.. like a Spina modded SD1. With that pushing its buttons it sounded great! I only used OD2, no point in me using OD1. It had a very warm and rounded gain tone. Hard to really characterize in relation to other Marshall amps, but it could get all of the classic and modern tones easy. I actually used it at a jam and played the trooper with the volume maxed out (loud drummer, loud guitar player, loud.. you get the picture) and it sounded sweet! I had to use the ext. speaker jack and use my Laneys speakers at the same time to provide enough volume. In the end, this is one of the reasons I wouldnt be able to use it at prac. People say its loud, but it sounds more like 30 watts to me. I must mention that at low volume it sounded excellent as well, but I had an attenuator and my SD1. Didnt have to get much over bedroom volume to get great tone.

I really cant complain except for the speaker. I threw a Celestion G12-T75 in that I took out of my Laney combo at the time, to see if it helped the tone. That was a bad decision. It put out a super piercing high end that really hurt the ears (the famous ice pick). I replaced the stock speaker within 2 minutes of playing. Waste of time. Anyhow, my ears didnt lie when I noticed the stock speaker did contribute to a buzzy sound mentioned earlier in the thread. I played it through two Eminence Legend V12 speakers in my Laney combo and it did get a bit clearer, but didnt change the tone for the better enough for me to act on it.

So, the negatives are the volume limitations (wont be much of a limit for most people), and the stock speaker. Both of which I think are hardly that negating. OH, wait! I forgot the one I had was an earlier model with the bad chip making the amp a heater. It never gave me problems, thank God, but that one time I used it at prac maxed out, I touched the knobs and they were a bit warm. Touched the face plate and had to snap my hand back pretty quick! It was also ~40 degrees (F) at the time. It still got pretty hot even at low volumes in the apartment, so be careful. I have heard of it actually causing problems.

I give it a 9 out of 10. I would like to have another if I found it for a good deal (bought the one I had in the trade section for $400+shipping!).
 
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I've got a TSL602, it must be 7+ years old now... No reliability issues to speak of, other than my tubes going out once which were replaced with Mullards (I think) my amp tech recommended.

The sound is great especially at higher volumes. My volume is always above 12:00... 2:00 is the highest I'll go indoors and its plenty loud. lower than 12:00 would probably sound great, but may require changing your amp settings. I don't usually play low on this amp, if I wanna play low, I use my Vox AD15VT.

My Marshall has always nailed the classic marshall tone perfectly. I've been tempted to get one of those new JVM Marshalls, but can't justify it since this amp already sounds great and suits my need perfectly. Why mess with a good thing?

I recently added a pair of V30's to the combo. The stock speakers weren't warm enough. Bass sounded exaggerated and the highs were really shrill or peirceing. The V30's seemed to round off the hi's... not too much... just enuff to make them more "musical". The bass also tightened up... Not bassy at all, but now it sounds more accurate.

Like I said before, my TSL602 has been great to me. Its been reliable and nails the tone I'm after. I got a TSLC212 2x12 cab to go underneath it and its been the perfect half stack for me. With the Master Vol at 1:00 or higher, it really starts to sing on its own. Works out perfectly for my playing - nice and loud but not too loud, know what I mean?
 
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I own a fairly new DSL 40C & the second overdrive channel was useless until I took out the "bright" cap, C-19. Tone is awesome now on both channels & I get a lot of comments playing it live. It is now my primary gig amp.
 
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