MIM Strat

babaker1014

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I am looking for a reasonably priced strat for blues and a little bit of country. The US models have a pretty high price tag, while the MIM models seem to sell considerably lower. How much am I losing by buying the MIM model. Are the pickups and electronics total garbage in these models (like alot of other manufacturers lower line models)? In the end it's no value to buy a guitar at a lower price if it will need to be "gutted" anyway. Any help from the strat experts would be greatly appreciated.
 
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MIM Fenders are great for the price. Electronics and hardware are both good, tho I'd personally replace such stuff due to liking to modify and personalize my guitars.
Purists will of course say they're utter garbage for not being made in the US and because they think any guitar that isn't 100% flippin' floppin' amazing is comletely worthless, but don't listen to those jerks.
 
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If you can score a good used MIM Jimmie Vaughan in nice shape for around $400 - 500. grab it.

The Tex-Mex pickups in the Jimmie Vaughan sound very good. But I did put Duncan SSL-1's in my buddy's Jimmie Vaughan, along with a Fralin Steel Pole 43 bridge pickup. It smokes and sounds like a totally professional ax! That guitar never fails to impress me. I like the neck shape a lot and the jumbo frets make string bending easy. I think with new pickups the Jimmie Vaughan becomes a great Strat.

Here's one Frank the Dog is selling in the Duncan Trading Post: https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?254437-FS-Fender-Jimmie-Vaughn-Strat
 
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It's just a case of shopping around for the right one. I own 3 MIM Strats, one of which is better than my MIA Strat in terms of the feel of the neck and the resonance from the body.

As with all guitars, just be prepared to play a few before you find the right one.

While the guitar is still on the wallhanger, pluck an open B, feel the resonation at various points of the body (the base by the strapnut, on either horn, and right at the top of the headstock). Run your fingers along the side of the neck either side of the fretboard to feel for any sticking out bits. Play E-shape barre chords unplugged at various points of the neck, listen for any dips in volume anywhere. Let chords ring while you switch pickups and turn the knobs and listen for any crackling or anything as you do. Hopefully you can decipher the duds from the rest within a minute or two this way.
 
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I bought one in Dec to use as a quick and ready practice guitar and I love it, more so after making some changes. Exceeds my expectations and gets played all the time.

I was breaking strings too easily with the stock vintage style saddles, so I replaced them with ferraglides. No more breakage and no affect on tone imo.

I couldn’t live without locking tuners, so I replaced them with Fender/Schaller tuners.

I replaced all the pups, but then I don’t consider that an added cost for comparison to higher models because I expect to change the pups on any guitar I buy.

I’ve owned an american standard and a deluxe, and this thing, as it’s setup now, plays and sounds just as well as those. The standard was alder with rosewood board and had fine tone, just darker, smoother, with less bite. My MIM is alder/maple on much clearer, livelier and ringier, which is what I wanted. The deluxe was just dead; my fault for trying mail order and then not returning it (didn’t know better back then). But choosing between a deluxe and an MIM, playing and tone being equal, I can't see spending so much extra for what seem to me to be mostly cosmetic differences. Maybe if I'd found a deluxe that sounded better I'd think differently.

And I still don’t know why they drilled three large, quarter sized holes in the section under the pick guard, above the controls (filled halfway with glue). I’m guessing they were maximizing wood and drilled out some knots. Lol….at first it bothered me, but you can’t see it and I’m so happy with the damn thing that I don’t care anymore. Sure, it’s 5+ pieces of alder glued together and sandwiched between birch (or plywood, I don’t know), vs 3 or less pieces, but it sounds fine to me. But it's worth telling the story here because, unless the american versions also receive such bastardizations, it appears the MIMs are allowed to pass with such stuff.

The electronics aren’t bad, but they don’t hold up well to repeated heat cycles from changes; the switch and pot arms are loosening up. The pots still sound fine, but the switch is a little noisier. Could be my soldering technique, but I’ve never had it happen on higher quality switches and pots, which go in soon now that I’ve finalized the electronics setup. If you never mess with the electronics you’d probably never notice a difference.

I think MIMs are a great value, if you spend some time finding one out of the lot that plays and sounds well and are willing to make some minor upgrades in the areas that fall short for you. I don’t spend much time at guitar stores noodling with all of their stock (when not ready to buy), so I have no clue if it’s just as easy to find a decent MIM as a non-MIM, but I'm guessing it's less work to find a decent non-MIM.
 
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I think the MIM standard series needs a pickup swap to be useful. The ceramic character of them is too obvious, especially through a fender amp. The rest of the hardware is decent and doesn't need upgrading.
Like others said, see if you can play a few and find the one that sounds good to you.

I think the classic 50s strats are fantastic though. The pickups are a little bright but have that alnico V late 50s sound pretty good. I really really really enjoy the necks, frets, and finishes on the classic series 50s. With these versus the AVRI models, you lose something in the pickups (but both are alnico V 50s spec, wired the same way), the quality of the wood, and the type of finish, and a some fine details in the finishing. But I think the appeal of that design is the vintage specs and you still get 100% pure strat with both guitars. The polyster finish on the classic series is less of a PITA to take care of to boot :)

With MIM std vs MIA std, I think I can feel the difference in features a little more and so to many that will be perceived as a difference in quality. The hardware (2 pt trem with higher mass block and staggered tuners on MIA), pickups (real alnico V on USA), wiring scheme (no-load pot on USA models), and attention to detail on the frets and fretboard edges are better on MIA.
The finishes on the MIA stuff are much much nicer as well. These days MIM gets you a polyester finish (per fender's site). MIA has a thinner base coat/wood filler, and has a harder, thinner, and more natural looking polyurethane finish.
 
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Recent MIM Strats and Teles play very nicely. With American pickups, they sound good enough to gig or record. What they lack, however, is the downright natural acoustic resonance of the wood used in the American Vintage Re-Issue, Deluxe American and Custom Shop instruments.

Details. That is what the extra money buys.

Right now, under my roof, I have a Nineties Tex-Mex Stratocaster and a so-called 60th Anniversary Tele.

The former had nice Tex-Mex single coils and a not so nice humbucker. I am currently testing it with Light Blue/Silver/Silver Lace Sensors. (Kinda permanently mid-boosted á la Clapton only without any batteries.)

The latter is wearing a Li'l '59 and a P90 Stack. I'm still undecided which way to go with this one. Tele single coil + P90 would make a fine Blues-Rock guitar. The Li'l '59 is straightahead Rawk. Series/Single/Parallel wiring and an Esquire pickguard might be enough.
 
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I have no problems with the MIM stuff. Good quality instruments and a nice price point. Last summer I put together a partsocaster with a MIM body and Warmoth neck. No complaints. If I was to get a MIM Strat or Tele off the wall, the only thing I'd change down the road are the pickups and maybe the bridge.
 
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Even stock and new, I think they are good guitars for the price. Move to the used market, and get one that has already had good mods done, and you can really score.

However, I think a G&L Tribute Legacy is the best bang for the buck "Strat" out there. They are easily better quality than MIM Standards, not to mention the fact that they have quality hardware and pickups, stock. And if you get an older model, a pretty decent G&L gig bag should be included, as they came with bags up until last year. With used prices in the same neighborhood as used MIM Standards, I think they are the way to go for an inexpensive, but quality, Strat.

I have a '05 MIM Standard that I bought new. FWIW, I kept it stock for 7 years before modding it. It felt like a Strat and sounded like a Strat, even stock.
 
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+1

The G&L Tribute series guitars come with American-made pickups. The selector switch and pots may be SE Asian but those can easily be upgraded. On vibrato-equipped models, better machine heads would help too.
 
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+1 on everything said. The MIM standards are really good guitars on it's price range. The only downside are the pickups if ceramics are not of your liking. However, there's the Roadhouse and Lone Star Stratocasters that are basically MIM standards upgraded with 3 Texas Specials or 2 Texas Specials and a Seymour Duncan Pearly Gates Plus humbucker for about $100 more. That's a really good deal considering a Pearly Gates goes for about $90 by itself.

Those are good alternatives if you're thinking of upgrading to something similar down the road.
 
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This is my Classic Player's 50's Strat I bought over Christmas. The mods that were made were purely for personal preference, rather than necessity. I've not done anything with the pickups yet, as they sound fine as they are. I will probably drop an SSL-5 in the bridge position at some point though, as I like something a little beefier than a stock Strat pup in that position - a need driven mostly by the fact that I'm more used to playing all humbucker equipped guitars than singles. The rest of it is just fine though, and I just love that neck profile on these.

 
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Luv my mexi. Put dmz area61's in. You might like the stock mim pups. And there's no garantee you'll like the stock Mia's. IMO, the disparity in price is not worth the gamble.
 
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Are Blacktop Strats MIM? I think those have a way better finish for a little price increase. I understand those have universal routing so you should be able to switch from HH to SSS.
 
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I no longer have it, but my first "real" electric was an MIM Tele lo these many years ago. I'm amazed at how many homegrown pros, gigging guitarists, I see using MIM axes.

If you're on a budget, they're a safe investment.
 
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