More clarity than a Jazz?

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Faraday

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So if people like the Jazz for clarity as opposed to a 59 (42-guage) at 7-8k, and the Jazz is (43-guage) and wound to about 7-8k, then if a pup was wound with 44 guage wire to 7-8k , would it be even more articulate than the Jazz? Like Uber-clarity? Would it be like unwinding a JB down to 7-8k? Would it be too thin? Of course magnet swaps can make a huge difference also, but that is another factor that I don't want to throw in here yet..:banana:

assume Magnets being equal:

^44g 7-8k Uber-Clarity (downwinded JB?)
^43g 7-8k Jazz
^42g 7-8k 59
 
Re: More clarity than a Jazz?

Hmmm... I'm not sure you'd want to get any brighter or clearer than the Jazz. If it is a boomy low end that is the issue, then a magnet swap (perhaps a4?) would be in order.
 
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I think JAZZ HB is wound with 42's just like 59s A2Ps PGs Seths and Ants. Frankly speaking, I would really be surprised if not. ;)

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Re: More clarity than a Jazz?

gripweed said:
Hmmm... I'm not sure you'd want to get any brighter or clearer than the Jazz. If it is a boomy low end that is the issue, then a magnet swap (perhaps a4?) would be in order.
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I don't have a problem with my existing pup, this just a theoretical, what if? thread. Thanks.
 
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dr.barlo said:
I think JAZZ HB is wound with 42's just like 59s A2Ps PGs Seths and Ants. Frankly speaking, I would really be surprised if not. ;)

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If Jazz was 42 gauge it would like a 59 but overwounded and then it couldn't be more articulate and bright , it would be the contrary .
Jazz is definitly 43 gauge like the Demon .
 
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fab.regnaut said:
If Jazz was 42 gauge it would like a 59 but overwounded and then it couldn't be more articulate and bright , it would be the contrary .
Jazz is definitly 43 gauge like the Demon .
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Gibson burstbuckers are hotter than seths, but they are brighter, and not as smooth as them seths. I would say they are more clear then the seths.

I think you've got to revise your theories about clarity and brightness. Resistance values is a good indicator but not the only one. Mismatching of coils, the particular winding pattern used, gauss of the magnet, degree of the alnico magnet, ...

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Guys I am 99% positive that the Jazz is 42 gauge wire...lots of thigs can change the sound of a pickup...not just the magnet and wire size...

Look at the Seth and the Pearly Gates...both are 42 guage wire both are alnico II and both fall into the 8k range and both sound completely different...
 
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Re: More clarity than a Jazz?

I think you're generally asking the same question fab regnaut did in a previous thread. Yes there are a lot of factors that go into the sound of a pickup. That is what makes some of the vintage pickups so great sounding. There was a lot of random patterns going on, some of which produced great sounds and may never be reproduced. Because it was so inconsistant, there were some real dogs too.
 
Re: More clarity than a Jazz?

BachToRock said:
The JAZZ is wound with 42 gauge wire... I repeat... gauge... not guage
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Wow. I always thought it was 43 gauge. I believe you BachtoRock. See how rumours get started, or is that rumors. I geuss, I mean guess that 43 guage=42 gauge.:laugh2: Seriously then, how do the Jazz and 59 compare in materials if their specs are so close?
 
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I think you are basing your opinions off the tone chart as opposed to actual experience with the pickups...
I would consider the tone chart a ROUGH guide... especially the EQ section!
The numbers between the Custom Custom and Custom 5 are ridiculous... they indicate that the CC has HALF the bass of a C5 and more than TWICE the mids... the only difference is the A2 to an A5... they do not sound THAT different.
Take a Seth and a 59... EXTREMELY similar pickups with an A2 and an A5... where is the drastic difference in the EQ numbers?
Also, the DC resistance readings are from ONE sample... the production tolerances are +/- 5%...
My Jazz Necks have measured consistantly lower than my 59 Necks...
The Jazz probably has less turns than a 59 and the wire has a thinner insulation on it which will produce a physically smaller coil which will yield a brighter tone as well.
 
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I am new to this forum and I just have to say WOW, you dudes know your pickups. Really, I mean pretty much any question I have ever had on Duncan pickups there is an answer in this forum. Very Cool! I just put a jazz neck and a JB in my 80's Les Paul Standard. This particular thread was useful for me because I debated forever whether to go with the jazz neck or the 59. I have had 59's in my guitars before, but never a jazz. Thought I would try one for kicks and I must say the total contrast to the JB is nice. When overdriven the jazz reminds me very much of a Tele neck tone. The clean clarity is pretty sweet also, but I do miss some of that darker necky sustain from the PAF for blues. I would rate the jazz a 10 for most styles and a 7 or 8 from a blues standpoint. Anyway guys thanks for a great forum and an excellent source of knowledge. Rock on!
 
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