more Diezel Questions: VH4 vs Herbert

[WaR HeaD]

hi again, i post a thread some days ago asking about the diezel herbert, and comparing it with the mesa triple rectumfrier... i tried btw the herbert on a local shop, and the herbert is one step further from the mesa...

but i have realized, they have also the VH4 xD... and have read on their website... but which one is better amp... altought the vh4 doesn´t have the mid cut option, it has another channel, and both have the midi control...

i have read also, the vh4 is the standard on USA studios for recording... which one would you recommend me... i ask this because the herbert goes to 3ks while the vh4 goes up to 2700€ and for a comparison, the triple recto is about 2500€

what do you recommend me, out of the 2 diezels, for high gain, and soloing, etc etc?

thanks a lot guys

 

[daemon barbeque]

Re: more Diezel Questions: VH4 vs Herbert

Well the VH4 is tighter and more lead orianted.But The Herbert is the next Generation to VH4.
try them both out.Many players still buy the VH4 ove the herbert.It's more for shredding than grinding!

 

[HolyDirt]

Re: more Diezel Questions: VH4 vs Herbert

In my opinion, their both amazing amps. The Herbert has a looser bottom end, while the VH4 is extremely tight. Also, I like the cleans on the VH4 better. They are so articulate and almost piano like... I wouldn't really say the VH4 is lead oriented... it definately has an amazing lead channel, but it is also great of rhythm. You really have to try them out though.

 

[Virtual Kevorkian]

Re: more Diezel Questions: VH4 vs Herbert

First of all, I wouldn't say ANY amp is the standard in USA studio's, besides maybe a Recto.

I'd personally go with the Herbert - cleans aren't a big deal to me, and I prefer the grind it has over the VH4. But I wouldn't exactly take my word for it - resale value aside, I'd take that 6505 you already have over both .

 

[WaR HeaD]

Re: more Diezel Questions: VH4 vs Herbert

thanks for the replies!

well, the thing that made me take a look at the vh4 was a pic at montyjay about the equipment James Hetfield was using in the latest tours (2003), with a couple vh4 heads among 2 thousand triaxis, tc electronics, etc etc xDD after all they are Metallica...

as i saw them live twice with the st anger tour, and heard how the hell he was sounding so huge, i thought he was using triples or dual rectos, but when i saw this pic last week...

take a look at the pic...

 

[WaR HeaD]

Re: more Diezel Questions: VH4 vs Herbert

...I'd take that 6505 you already have over both .

thanks for that, and don´t misunderstand me dude, i love my amp, i think the distorted channel of the 6505 is absolute hell and then some... but there has to be something between 1100€ for the peavey and 2700€ for the vh4... and why do some bands sounds so tight and "clean" while the 6505+ and the old 5150II
has that "dirty/sandy" sound

 

[Virtual Kevorkian]

Re: more Diezel Questions: VH4 vs Herbert

thanks for that, and don´t misunderstand me dude, i love my amp, i think the distorted channel of the 6505 is absolute hell and then some... but there has to be something between 1100€ for the peavey and 2700€ for the vh4... and why do some bands sounds so tight and "clean" while the 6505+ and the old 5150II
has that "dirty/sandy" sound

5150's aren't for a very tight/clean sound - more for a raw, aggressive, edgy sound.

For tight/clean, I'd go with a Mark or a Recto, TBH.

 

[daemon barbeque]

Re: more Diezel Questions: VH4 vs Herbert

5150's aren't for a very tight/clean sound - more for a raw, aggressive, edgy sound.

For tight/clean, I'd go with a Mark or a Recto, TBH.

Well i find MArks tight ,but recto is not tight for my ears.A VH4 slays any recto in tightness.Diezel do not have that buzzy grind.It is more direct and ...well balanced.Mark IV is closer to herbert maybe.But still soo different.

The Cornford MK 50 ii is a similar amp..tonevise...But it is 2 channels ,50 watts ,and 2000 euros.Still ,i would take it (and will take it) over the herbert/VH4...you have to try it WH!It's amazing!

 

[Virtual Kevorkian]

Re: more Diezel Questions: VH4 vs Herbert

Well i find MArks tight ,but recto is not tight for my ears.A VH4 slays any recto in tightness.Diezel do not have that buzzy grind.It is more direct and ...well balanced.Mark IV is closer to herbert maybe.But still soo different.

The Cornford MK 50 ii is a similar amp..tonevise...But it is 2 channels ,50 watts ,and 2000 euros.Still ,i would take it (and will take it) over the herbert/VH4...you have to try it WH!It's amazing!

Recto is tight in the sense that it's a clean, controlled amp - not insanely musy, squishy, or messy. It's low end isn't the tightest, but if you know how to dial it in properly, it by no means muds anything up.

 

[WaR HeaD]

Re: more Diezel Questions: VH4 vs Herbert

bump!! a friend of mine who works on a music shop has told me that they are selling a used herbert for 2200€ right now... damn dudes, i need the money xD

 

[jmh151]

Re: more Diezel Questions: VH4 vs Herbert

thanks for the replies!

well, the thing that made me take a look at the vh4 was a pic at montyjay about the equipment James Hetfield was using in the latest tours (2003), with a couple vh4 heads among 2 thousand triaxis, tc electronics, etc etc xDD after all they are Metallica...

as i saw them live twice with the st anger tour, and heard how the hell he was sounding so huge, i thought he was using triples or dual rectos, but when i saw this pic last week...

take a look at the pic...

I saw Metallica 2 years ago at Nassau Coliseum in Long Island NY for the St Anger tour. Their tone was VERY thin with very little gain, kinda ear pearcing and annoying

 

[disturb]

Re: more Diezel Questions: VH4 vs Herbert

I've had my Herbert for a year now. When I bought it, I went back & forth between the VH4 and Herbert. The main difference between them is the VH4 has a distinct Diezel sound. Very tight and extremely unforgiving. The Herbert has more of a Marshall/Diezel tone. It's looser and more squishy than the VH4. The Herbert is very easy to play and don't think that it is loose and flubby. It's very tight also, but has the right amount of give to feel more comfortable. I also have a Rectifier that I used to gig with. The Diezel with the mid-cut on is like a rectifier, but beefier and punchier. I have mine set up for 4 sounds for gigging. Channel 1 - clean (which is awesome by the way), Channel 2 is my brown sound/classic rock tone, Channel 3 (without mid-cut) - modified high-gain Marshall, Channel 3 (with mid-cut) my Rectifier type sound. Some of the other local bands have come out to hear the Diezel, and I expect to see more on the scene.

 

[WaR HeaD]

Re: more Diezel Questions: VH4 vs Herbert

thanks again for the replies... i am seeing at musicstore, that i can buy a new vh4 for 2400€ and a herbert for 2500€ (for musicians there is no vat to pay for)

money apart... which one do you think is more versatile out of the two? the 3 channel with the mid cut and the second volume? or the 4 channel... it is really true that the vh4 is "only" or more for soloing and herbert more for rhythm? its just weird how most of the guitarrist of that website http://www.andreasrauscher.de/diezel/ are first rhythm players and mots of them have vh4

btw one of the herberts you see on the Sober guy (spanish band) is the one used on the store

 

[disturb]

Re: more Diezel Questions: VH4 vs Herbert

Hard to say. The VH4 has 4 independent EQ channels, and can swap tubes, but all the tubes have to be the same, all EL34s, or 6L6's, etc... The Herbert has 3 individual EQ channels, but if you engage the mid-cut on each channel, that makes 6 different sounds. On the Herbert you can mix power tubes, for example: 2 - EL34's, 2 - 6L6's, 2 - 6550's. I own the Herbert and have played the VH4. They are both killer amps. Both do rhythm and lead equally well. I would say decide like I did. If you want a super tight signature Diezel tone, pick the VH4. If you want Diezel tone with a little more squish and Marshall in it, pick the Herbert. They both have distinct tones. I can tell just from a clip which one it is. Go to the Diezel site and listen to the sound clips. You'll hear the difference.

 

[anewdefguitarist]

Re: more Diezel Questions: VH4 vs Herbert

i would think honestly the 4 channel VH4 would be a little too much. its like clean, dirty, dirty-er, solo...plus your solo boost volume, and ****...im more of simplic guy though too, so...i think right away, SWEET 4 CHANNELS, then i think how often would i use that channel 2...i think its gonna come down to how much you really think you'll need that other channel. plus like disturb just said, you can switch/mix tubes on the herbert, so by my understanding, you could stick el-34's in for your crunch and 6l6's in for your heavy grinding stuff...or 6l6's for crunch and 5881's for heavy, whatever....i think it takes like 5 different tubes?? 34s, 6l6s, kt88s, 5881s, and somethin else i thought... some other form of 6l6 maybe? my vote is herbert...i heard godsmacks tony rombola playing one at some rock n roll induction thing or something, and i couldn't imagine a person needing any tighter of a sound...i actually remember thinking, wow, that doesn't even hardly sound like him anymore...not in a bad way or anything...just different. hope my 2 cents helped....i vote herbert. bt if you find you are unhappy with the herbert, feel free to send it to me and i'll take it off your hands, lol