Movin' on from a JB+ 7, need recommendations

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I've had a JB+ 7 (ceramic magnet) in the bridge position of my custom seven string for almost ten years now. It has served me well and I can see how my playing has evolved around it. But recently I've been getting into some serious recording and I've really been struggling to get a guitar sound out of the mix that does what I need it to, and after trying many different mixing and processing techniques (and a friend's guitar) I've somewhat narrowed things down to the culprit being some of the traits of the JB.

It's the low end, man! It's just not present, tight, or big enough to make itself heard in a mix. Now this isn't necessarily a flaw in the JB, it's made to cut and it doesn't have much low end on purpose. It's a screamer. But the things I'm writing these days are becoming more precise and technical, and when I record a DI with my seven and try to set up a sound later I simply can't dial in a tone that makes quick palm mutes and subtle things like that prominent. The frequencies just ain't there, Broseph.

And now I'm even noticing it when I'm playing through my real amp. I did some minor repair on a friend's seven string and plugged it into my amp to test everything and I was shocked at how punchy it sounded and how every palm muted note thumped, even in the middle of a complex riff. These were not any kind of good aftermarket pickups; it sounded like crap it several other important ways. But when it came to tight punchy low end they had it handled and the truth was clear: I need more low end detail that punches and keeps up with what I'm playing.

This is by no means a bash of the JB. I love that pickup and wish I didn't have to find something else. Heck, I've got a matching JB+ with a ceramic mag in my main six string, that's how big a fan I am.

I've been reading all kinds of stuff here and on other guitar forums, watching comparisons on youtube, and there only seems to be a few candidates. I need something to bring the heavy, meaning rhythm and lead, but I don't need it to do cleans. And I'm only replacing the bridge pickup, I don't need a set.

The JB is a bright pickup and I'm used to that, so From what I've seen prospects would include the Nazgul, the Pegasus, the Black Winter bridge, the Omega (but hopefully not as it's new and expensive), and even possible older models like the Full Shred or the Custom 5 (though I tried a Custom before I settled on the JB before and I hated it).

I've read a lot about all of these and they all have their fans and detractors depending on the situation. Well, I tried to outline my situation, so I hope I'll get some feedback. :cool2: Thanks in advance for any information you feel like sharing!
 
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Re: Movin' on from a JB+ 7, need recommendations

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Re: Movin' on from a JB+ 7, need recommendations

My first thoughts were a Pegasus or a Black Winter. The EQ is slightly different, but they both have great low end.
 
Re: Movin' on from a JB+ 7, need recommendations

Change the magnet to an Alnico 8, tweak some knobs.

Done.

/Peter
 
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Isn't that essentially a smaller-magged, "baby" Distortion?

What would happen if you used an oversized Distortion mag or a factory Distortion?


Btw, I havent had a 7string in ages, but I remember having that 7th string sounds wrong issue, too. Only had a couple pups in there, a crappy emh hz and an unsatisfying DiMarzio Blaze.... DO vaguely recall one impression though, that certain amps and effects just didnt get along with a low A or B string. Have you tried plugging straight into an amp that's known to sound good with detuned/baritone/7string guitars?
 
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The Distortion has a bigger and tighter low-end than the JB, though I don't know how different it'd be from the JB+.

I wouldn't think the Black Winter is what you should be looking at. I wouldn't say it has more low-end than the JB. Tighter, bolder, and voiced differently (less stuffy), yes, but not really more. I would say the Black Winter is more of a cutting, surgical, tight pickup rather than a thumpy one.

Maybe consider the Invader too. It's the fattest member of the JB family.
 
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The regular Custom is wild and bold , more so than the Nazgul which is more specialized for metal with more mid and tighter basses : you can compare the Duncan clips to acknowledge this .
 
Re: Movin' on from a JB+ 7, need recommendations

Change the magnet to an Alnico 8, tweak some knobs.

Done.

/Peter

Hmmmm...intriguing. And cheap. I may just do some experimentation with this before I spring for a whole new pickup.


EDIT: Ordered a couple of A8 mags from AddictionFX (the second one is for my matching JB+ six string if things go well). I'm intensely curious to hear the results.

I may still buy a new pickup, though. So everybody keep discussing! :cool:
 
Re: Movin' on from a JB+ 7, need recommendations

I had a Custom in a 7-string and loved it. Much better than any JB I ever tried. I also really like the DiMarzio D Activator.
 
Re: Movin' on from a JB+ 7, need recommendations

Change the magnet to an Alnico 8, tweak some knobs.

Done.

/Peter

So, I didn't abandon this thread. Addiction FX lost my order and I didn't know about it until after almost two weeks of waiting for it to show up. I finally contacted them and they sent them out with tracking, but that took another five business days, so I only got them a couple days ago.

They were rough surface magnets, which I wasn't expecting but I understand it somewhat softens the sound compared to a polished mag? Changes the magnetic field a tad?

In any case, I installed one in my seven string JB and somehow screwed up the polarity so now if both pickups are on it's this barely there out-of-phase kind of sound. I'm not sure how I did that, north was marked on both mags and I matched it and I made sure the end I was inserting on the new mag was attracted to the end sticking out of the pickup on the old one. But WHAT. EVER.

Initial impressions on the pickup on its own are good. Definitely tighter and bigger bass, hotter output, more powerful highs, basically more of everything. Palm mutes stick out in a pleasant way now, in a way I could never get them to before, with a prominent chunk. It rewards precision in that regard because it's not going to give up the goods if I get sloppy; everything is just going to smear together that way. So heavy rhythm playing is better in every respect.

Leads seem to benefit from a tad less treble, either on the amp or just by rolling the tone or volume off on the guitar. The more prominent highs that result in more detail with rhythm playing can easily make lead playing have a not very pleasant fizz on the top end, and the smoother and more singing lead tone of the JB and JB+ is gone. At least until I dial it back in, if I can indeed do so.

So thank you for the recommendation good sir! I may indeed have saved some money here. The issues I was having with the JB+ may have been solved with this magnet swap. It's too soon to say for certain, but initial impressions are very encouraging!

I may post back when I have some more experience with it. Thanks again to everyone for their contributions to the discussion! :)
 
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