Multi-wind pickups

[zionstrat]

A good while back, when I was still winding pickups, I posted a thread wondering if anyone had wound multiple coils simultaneously..

Theoretically there seem to be so many options with easy multitap seeming the most obvious..

However, no one thought it would work and I didn't pursue it any farther.

Much to my surprise they exist!

MultiWind Pickups https://share.google/Xd7XvL9hABjDrUfKC

They sound pretty much exactly like what I imagined

So in the last 6 or 7 years years has anybody pursued this or tried these types of pickups?

And after a more reading I'm wondering if this company is just offering multiple taps and calling it something else.. I did a lot of that and it's incredibly useful.

So I'm still not clear if anybody is making a single coil that has two or more full winds on the same bobbin?

 

[freefrog]

Are you talking about this kind of recipe?

No, I've not tried. Intuitively, I'd think it brings some issues of capacitive coupling, among others. So I'm not sure it's an interesting path to follow.

 

[jeremy]

you mean winding two wires on one coil at once? the multiwind pups you linked to seem to be one coil with a six taps as far as i can tell, but ive never seen one

 

[freefrog]

Yeah, the link in the first post seems to refer to single coils with multiple taps and not to "bifilar" or "trifilar" models like in the video that I've mentioned above...

On the music-electronics forum, there was a giant topic about coils wound with several wires at once. Sadly, the related database has vanished in the air.

 

[zionstrat]

you mean winding two wires on one coil at once? the multiwind pups you linked to seem to be one coil with a six taps as far as i can tell, but ive never seen one

Yep, I was thinking more like the video that freefrog shared, but looking for results more like the multiwind product.

My initial thought was why don't I wind two wires at the same time and just stop winding one of them at whatever length I want and then connect the input to the output on a switch to get taps.

The reason I was going this way is my conventional taps failed smany times and the advantage here is you're not soldering an extension onto your tap.. All the coil wire is solid throughout.

I think they're six tap idea is kind of overkill, plus they had to switch to a rotary.. but I sure liked up to about four of their tones.

I did lots of two taps and they were extremely useful to get an underwound a standard and overwound out of one pup.

Bottom line is if I was still winding I think I'd mess with this some more. To me basic pups like p90s are just screaming for taps!

Thanks for feedback and would appreciate hearing from anybody who's going down this rabbit hole

 

[jeremy]

ive wound some tapped single coils, some with different gauges. i havent had an issue with failures. i use a bobbin with three eyelets, start, first finish, then second finish. how were yours failing?

 

[zionstrat]

ive wound some tapped single coils, some with different gauges. i havent had an issue with failures. i use a bobbin with three eyelets, start, first finish, then second finish. how were yours failing?

I mainly did the sand down the wire and solder the tap off of it approach.. and they failed quite a bit.

The more successful ones went to eyelets as you mentioned..

But they were all one off for specific designs so I just kept going on each one until that particular pup was done.

But unless there's a downside, it sure seems easier to run two wires simultaneously.. but of course you have to deal with all the twisting.

 

[zionstrat]

Are you talking about this kind of recipe?

No, I've not tried. Intuitively, I'd think it brings some issues of capacitive coupling, among others. So I'm not sure it's an interesting path to follow.

Yeah I think we talked about the capacitance in that other thread many years ago! Interesting from your video was the lack of inductance. I wouldn't have expected that.

 

[freefrog]

Interesting from your video was the lack of inductance. I wouldn't have expected that.

I'll have to watch again the video but doesn't it happen when he connects the wires in humbucking mode? I'd expect a drop in inductance in this case, given how the inductivity of two humbucking coils becomes lower when they're stacked upon each other instead of side by side...

 

[zionstrat]

I'll have to watch again the video but doesn't it happen when he connects the wires in humbucking mode? I'd expect a drop in inductance in this case, given how the inductivity of two humbucking coils becomes lower when they're stacked upon each other instead of side by side...

Okay now I get it.. I've never been able to get inductance to work with my plumbing metaphor for electronics

Thanks as always!