My finds about my newest hybrid

orpheo

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As some of you may, or may not know, I've been having some troubles dialing in the right sound in a guitar I have. It was always just a touch too soggy, too nasal, never that agressive, punchy, bright, crunchy tone I wanted.

SO... I sold 4 pickups, installed some others for other people, cashed in some $$$, and bought a duncan mayhem set, and a fullshred bridge model.

the duncan distortion and the FS were hybridised, and the result? it ROCKS! Holy holy god in heaven. First, though, some specs.

the DDist. coil is the one with the screw, and is around 7.5-8k. the duncan fullshred coils only have screws(allen heads) and this one is a hot one: also, round 7k (so not quite the mismatch I was hoping for, but okay). I used in this one the supersuperthick ceramic magnet from the distortion.

It was really easy to make the hybrid, I was very surprised, I have to say.

I made a second hybrid with the leftover parts of the fullshred and the distortion, by the way. This one went in the middle position, and the other one went in the bridge. the duncan distortion neck went to the neck.

Ok, the tones.

The neckpickup was paired up with a 250k pot, to give it a smoother tone, yet maintaining that articulation and precision. I think I like the jazz+250k+alnico8 more, but this is very nice too!

The middle pickup is very cool! not just cool as in 'it rocks, its awesome' but it sounds 'cool'. The colorassociation I get with it, it icy blue :P I think it makes a neat bridge pickup; bit more mids than the full shred, but not as honky as some might say about the JB. its also more articulated than a JB. I think that this pickup is more like 'mainstream' JB: its got the tone of the JB for the most part, like the 'fluidic' mids for leads, but its got a tighter low end, like the FS.

The bridge pickup is like the middle, but everything is more extreme. the lows are tighter, the mids are more souple for leads, but crunchy and punchy and crisp for the rhythm. the highs scream, like a pig brought to slaughter!

Pinch harmonics are so bloody easy, its just not funny anymore :P Its really a JB+++. the distortion bares little resemblance to the JB, imho, the fullshred is ofcourse nothing like the JB, but the combination of the FS and the distortion really gives me the ultimate combination.

Some mods I have in mind: well, none :) perhaps a coiltap, just for the fun of it, but I don't really need it. the middle pickup is great on its own with neck or bridge, to give me some quacky tones. I do wish to try out an alnico8 one time or another, though I think that might be too 'rude' in the lows and mids, and cut out too much of the highs. The neck will definitly get an A8, though. I've got a 'thing' for A8's in the neck

Here are some pics of the guitar its in:

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sounds cool man, though i'm more interested in your control scheme! is that a dual tone/volume pot for every pickup with 2 3-way switches?
 
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sounds cool man, though i'm more interested in your control scheme! is that a dual tone/volume pot for every pickup with 2 3-way switches?

yes, thats absolutely correct. The upper parts are volume, the lower ones are tone. It took me some time to figure out that this is for me, with the regular stuff in/on a les paul, the best, easiest and most versatile setup. I have another though, but that one works not as easy as this one.

With the toggle near the pots at the down-position, its a stock les paul, when it comes to the upper toggle. just bridge, neck or both in the middle position, with volume and tone for each. easy, right?

well, in the middle position of the lower toggle I add middle to the mix, to whatever the upper toggles does.

when the lower toggle goes in the up position, its middle only, which is nice for whenever I want to do a clean run, and switch over to bonecrushing gain, if I'm too lazy or unable to switch on/with the amp.

The other wiring I use, utilises a 5 way 2 pole blade and 4 pots. With that setup I have bridge/bridge+middle/neck+bridge/middle+neck/neck. and in each position, I have a volume and tone, depending on the position of the switch. So when I have 2 pickups at the same time, I don't have 1 set of pots doing nothing, like I have with the setup on the guitar you see in the pics I just posted.

the problem is: a 5 way is not as intuitive as 2 3 ways, especially because you have to 'aim' your throwing of the toggle. its hard enough for me to get the middle position of the 3 way, can you imagine how it is for me with 3 middle positions on a 5 way blade?!

another problem is that I can't have all 3 at the same time, or middle by itself. middle by itself is a tone I use quite often. I really like that tone, its a bit jangly, kinda clean, and very useable in my playing. but that can be solved wit a push pull pot.

but the biggest problem is that a 5 way wont fit in the cavity in the upper bout of a les paul! you will have that major hole for the 3 way TOGGLE, and a blade can't fit it. you can route the rest of the slot, but still: you have that hole. thanks, but no thanks. a rotary is absolutely a no-go, cause thats really terrible to switch between neck and bridge; the 2 tones I use most!

But the 5 way blade is a nice one, though, cause I can use the regular pots as push pull pots (there are no push pull concentric pots...). with those pots I can use the tone pot to roll of highs, OR roll off the LOWS, which is quite nice (push pull for the tonepots). and the volume pots will be the coiltap-pots (bridge pot will coiltap bridge+middle, neck coiltap will coiltap neck alone: always neck and bridge seperate coiltaps on my guitars).

I do have another system, though, which is a mix of these 2 schematics. Its a 3 way for neck/bridge/both, and a 2 way, which swaps out bridge and middle. that way I have the thing with the 2volume/2tone, the middle positions, etc etc, but not the hassle of the 5 way, or 2 3ways. but from there its a small step to either 2 3ways and independant volumes and 1 master, or totally independant volumes and tones :D

do you get what I mean? :eyecrazy::eyecrazy::28:
 
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ps: the wiring used to be even worse. I had 3 motherbuckers in the guitar.... those things are 2 hotrails with 8 wires, mounted on 1 plate. I was able to switch between the left rail, right rail, both rails in series, or parallel. to make things even worse, I had a coiltap for the rails. so I was able to get left blade, right blade, both blades series or parallel, for each rail. thats why you see those 4 plugged holes. The cavity was barely large enough...

I did it with 4 toggles and 3 triple shots. It was, in theory, versatile, but it didn't sound right. Even with all the wiring stripped down to just volume, tone and coiltap, it didn't sound right! And thats when I started all the swapping out of pickups and stuff. but this is by far the best setup, and now,by FAR, one of the best sounding guitars I have in the collection!
 
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As some of you may, or may not know, I've been having some troubles dialing in the right sound in a guitar I have. It was always just a touch too soggy, too nasal, never that agressive, punchy, bright, crunchy tone I wanted.

Everything you described is linked directly to the bridge.


But hey, at least you found a way to overcome the Kahler Effect :lol:
 
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Everything you described is linked directly to the bridge.


But hey, at least you found a way to overcome the Kahler Effect :lol:

no, no, it was like that even before the bridge got on. the pickups I had in it, had that tone too in other guitars.

makes me think its the pickups, not the bridge, huh :28:
 
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great write up
glad you are happy with the results

what is the wood of that guitar ? body? neck? fingerboard?
 
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A mod that is easy to try on you bridge pup is to put all the Allen screws under the wound strings and all the flat head screws under the plain strings... Tightens up the wounds and sweetens the plains... Don't even have to remove the pup...
 
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@WGTP: I'll try that mod, seems nice, but I'm very satisfied with the guitar as it is.

its by the way a warmoth les paul: carved walnut top on a walnut back, ebony fingerboard, 22 frets, 24.75'', bubinga neck.
 
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A mod that is easy to try on you bridge pup is to put all the Allen screws under the wound strings and all the flat head screws under the plain strings... Tightens up the wounds and sweetens the plains... Don't even have to remove the pup...

Another way to go is to use longer hexhead screws under the plain screws, that way they all look the same.
 
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I dig what you're doing here. Good looking guitar with cool looking hardware(pickup covers are a nice touch) and the switching scheme seems like something I could use.

Your hybridization of the DD&FS sounds like a winner, too. I take it the middle 'bucker has the A5?

Rock on, brother.
 
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i am glad you found a way to get all that walnut to behave ... man, between that body/top and an ebony board, it must be one bright mofo ...

rock on with yo' bad bad hybrid pup self !!

t4d
 
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its not really that bright! :D Its crunchy, kinda fat, and open. perhaps bright-ish, but not icepicky.

I have to say that I really like the hex/screw combination. the middle has indeed the a5.

and yes, this hybrid is for the more heavy-music oriented player, a winner, but for clean runs, jazzy licks etc etc, very, very nice too!
 
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