My pickup test harness (pics)

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I mentioned this in a few threads. This is what I now use when I test pickups.

I got fed up wondering about these "what this would sound like with 250 Kohm pots and/or a 22 nF capacitor?" questions and speculate about these "no way you can hear ..." issues.

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One volume pot simulator with 1 Mohm, 500, 250 and 100 Kohm and "none". One tone control with a 1 Mohm poti (which can perfectly emulate 500, 250 Kohm and lower), tone cap switchable between 10, 22 and 47 nF and "off" and a turn switch for a "load" capacitor.

The current "production" version also has a LCR network integrated with an on/off switch. I use Bill Lawrence's "Q-Filter" here:

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The normal attachment to the pickups is via the crocodiles, with an extra croc for grounding the guitar. Works pretty well for braided wire. For the 4-conductor awg 28 wires I usually prepare the pickup that I want to test by soldering awg 22 extensions to each of the awg 22s. The nice thing is that you can instantly attach the crocos to the right wires to get exotic combinations like "out of phase in series but only the north-up coil of the neck pickup". So no more wondering there either. There's a normal plug between the harness and the crocs, so you can just use a standard plug if you don't trust the crocos.

It's work in progress, actually the above pictures are already out of date. For starters, some idiot sent me 5-position switches when I wanted 11-positions and my load capacitors are too heavy, at least for humbuckers. That's getting redone at a finer scale after people send me back my Strat parts.

And I discovered that what you really want is two of these harnesses with one master switch to engage one or the other. The problem is at least with mellow pickups it's very hard to hear the minor differences such as a 250 versus a 500 Kohm poti or the difference between a 22 nF and 47 nF cap with a 500 Kohm poti at full open. But you can easily hear the difference when you change all potis from 500 to 250 Kohm and the cap from 22 to 47 nF. So what you need is two of these, you set one to the static "reference" that you want to compare against and then you have a switch switching back and forth between the reference and your live experiments.

These "reference setups" could be without potis, just hardcoded to act like 500/500/.022 and 250/250/.047 with pots full open, to save space.

The whole thing has a little bit of it's own capacitance, 0.6 nF. That's more than I wanted but probably OK. It's like using a longer cable and you can make good for it by using it with a shorter cable between the harness and the amp.

I also want some of these fat expensive "vintage" capacitors of the same values in the tone control to compare them to the ceramics. So the tone control will get a switch that switches, for whatever cap value you have currently selected, from "el cheapo ceramic" to "ripoff vintage".

A proper case is coming in the next version, but I probably re-design the whole thing to reduce capacitance first. The noise right now isn't too bad, and you can just lay the whole thing in a bed of grounded aluminium foil.

I feel much better about my testing now. The looming "is it worth digging out the other pots?" was driving me nuts.
 
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Maybe it's buried a little deep in the text...

With a turn of a button you can simulate the different poti and capacitor values. So that if you plug in your new Custom 5 and it doesn't do what you want you are not left wondering if it did what you want with a different tone and volume circuit.

It will also take care of these "are $20 capacitors worth it" questions without having to solder them in and out.
 
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It's a brilliant idea mate, you can really fine tune your pickups with that. Must have cost a bit to make though? the pots probably werent cheap for a start.
 
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It's a brilliant idea mate, you can really fine tune your pickups with that. Must have cost a bit to make though? the pots probably werent cheap for a start.

No, these rotary switches are reasonably cheap. Old military stock. They don't seem to have any sound issues and PRS is using them, too.

The total cost for this thing is about $15, plus the LCR network which is a prepackaged Bill Lawrence product. Work amount on the other hand accumulates with every detail that you realize you can improve...
 
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Very nice, then.
I didn't know that kind of switches/pots. Are they working as a switch and also as a typical pot (roll-down, roll-up)?

Three of these are rotary switches, one tone poti, one poti for the LCR. The volume poti is only simulated at full open position (I never use a volume poti in a passive guitar since it kills sound when turned down), so there is no poti for volume. I know it's confusing.

The three rotary switches are:
  • volume poti simulation 1 Mohm, 500, 250 and 100 Kohm, or no vol poti ("80ties metal" mod :))
  • attach a 15, 22 or 47 nF capacitor to the tone poti, or turn it off
  • load capacity (currently 0.5 - 10 nF, too high for humbuckers, I'll redo that)

Maybe it helps if I post a higher resolution shot of the "manual". I don' think it's readable above.
 
Re: My pickup test harness (pics)

Oh man, that's just what I need. For my Cort a simple 150K resistor did a world of difference so I can only imagine what this kind of testing could reveal...

Keep us posted on the "final" product, it might just be what every self-respecting tone freak needs :D
 
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That's awesome that you put that together. That would be a great tool for luthiers, guitar company owners, and pickup companies. An instant way to see if you like a certain formula with a certain pickup.

I'd love to hear the results of the Custom, C5, 59, JB, and Seths. It would tell me instantly what to use in strats or LP's.
 
Re: My pickup test harness (pics)

The three rotary switches are:
  • volume poti simulation 1 Mohm, 500, 250 and 100 Kohm, or no vol poti ("80ties metal" mod :))

Hmm, Do you say 80's metal people did not use volume pot? That's interesting, I thought I was weird when I removed it. Anyway I finally put an 1 Mega pot because I needed a volume control but I did not do an A/B test. Did you find a difference between 1 Meg volume and no pot (I do not use tone pot)?

About the way you hear the tone pots (at my "neck invader cap" thread, remember?)I do not comprehend it anyway yet, you must have better ears than me.
 
Re: My pickup test harness (pics)

Cool idea. Everyone should build one of these who wants to know the affects of different load and cap values. Its the only way to know for sure.

Nice job.
 
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Hmm, Do you say 80's metal people did not use volume pot? That's interesting, I thought I was weird when I removed it. Anyway I finally put an 1 Mega pot because I needed a volume control but I did not do an A/B test. Did you find a difference between 1 Meg volume and no pot (I do not use tone pot)?

No, 1 Mohm is like having none to me. Having 500 Kohm is audibly different than 1 Mohm - with some pickups.

Removing the whole thing for the 80'ties metal style is not done because it sounds better. It's done because there is so high gain that none of the regular poti and cap values matter at all and it looks more manly :)

About the way you hear the tone pots (at my "neck invader cap" thread, remember?)I do not comprehend it anyway yet, you must have better ears than me.

No, I cannot hear a tone pot changed from 500 to 250 Kohm in isolation, when both are at full open, not even with the 47 nF cap. What I can hear is combination changes of "all potis in half and cap doubled". That is with humbuckers only, my Strat parts came back yesterday so I can give this thing a spin with single coils today.

As I said, what I really need is two of these and a master switch in between. You cannot fiddle with individual values, the differences are too small. What you want to compare are full sets of settings.
 
Re: My pickup test harness (pics)

Here is an up-to-date version and I drew a little manual.

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Here is how it looks in "JImmy Page mode". Not that it's visible in the photo but the humbuckers are connected in series out of phase, just by crocodiling the right wires.

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For that particular guitar that series out of phase experiment was very valuable - because it sounds like ... nothing in that axe. Although I loved in my Les Paul copy :confused:. But the pickups there are a CC/PG hybrid and a 1980 T-Top and maybe they don't mix. Or the guitar doesn't come up with the right frequency spectrum. In any way, good to know that you can save the OOP trouble in this guitar.
 
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