Necessary Effects

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I went through the multi-effects units a couple times, and have owned several pedals.

Then I decided I ONLY want the pedals that are completly nessesary for me.
Tuner and Wah, anything else complicates it for me.

So my advice is just to not over-do it, and I know that you plan on keeping it simple, so that's good.

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Interstate 70 said:
Thank you monsieur Darkside,
Tap temp delay...cool, noted...but, the Echo park only gets a rating of 7.7/10 on Zzounds. The Tap temp delay...what are others. I thought tap temp was method implimentation, use, not a pedal...but, what do I know...;)
I'm just saying get a delay pedal that has tap tempo. I think most of the boss pedals have the ability but you need to buy a footswitch that plugs into it. The Echo Park has a dual function footswitch that both sets the tempo (light tap) and engages/disengages the effect (hard press). Another reason I suggest it is that if you listen to Gilmour's old tones, he used tape echos then analog delays in the 70's. The Echo Park does not sound exactly like those, but it does a good simulation of them. One of the huge criticisms of it is the noise issue. As long as you use a dedicated power supply it's not noisy. If you daisy chain to it it's very noisy.
 
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PFDarkside said:
I'm just saying get a delay pedal that has tap tempo. I think most of the boss pedals have the ability but you need to buy a footswitch that plugs into it. The Echo Park has a dual function footswitch that both sets the tempo (light tap) and engages/disengages the effect (hard press). Another reason I suggest it is that if you listen to Gilmour's old tones, he used tape echos then analog delays in the 70's. The Echo Park does not sound exactly like those, but it does a good simulation of them. One of the huge criticisms of it is the noise issue. As long as you use a dedicated power supply it's not noisy. If you daisy chain to it it's very noisy.

Monsieur Darkside.
Wow. That is some great info. Thanks for sharing those great tips. Dedicated power is a big deal then. cool.

How did they do that tape echo stuff? that boggles my mind? If I have thought about this right...does it work like this...the tape runs constantly at a slow speed, a speed that would correspond to the delay time that you wanted. Then delayed sound would appear from tape real that would insert the sound into the recording control board. Is that how it works?

I guess if a guy was smart enough, he could write a program so that a PC could function as the delay source and then he/she would not have to buy a delay pedal? Yep, that is beyond my ability. af course that would be a digital delay using a PC not an analogue.
 
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What are the 3 most commonly used effects. OD, Wha and chorus? phaser, delay, fuzz? Flanger, chorus, wha?
 
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Interstate 70 said:
thanks pard'ners for your helps. I'm just getting into the effects stuff, obliviously:). i had considered the multi units. I worry a bit about effects order. with the multi-units you don't have any choice right. if you want to go chorus to delay or delay to chorus you wouldn't have the flexibility to do that right? but at this point being new I may not need that flexibility.

What do you consider as "feet wetting" effects? Should a guy start with wha over delay? Or phaser over chorus? Is this an intimately personal decision depending on personal sonic goals? what are vintage effects as opposed to modern effects?

Just try to figure out what you find to be essential for yourself. If it means expanding your repertoire-do it. If it means trying out a multi-effects to really see what kinds of sounds or modulations appeal to you, go for it. I've never tried a multi-effects, and I'm more than happy with my vox wah and TS9. I just found that I didn't really need the other effects.
 
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Quencho092 said:
Just try to figure out what you find to be essential for yourself. If it means expanding your repertoire-do it. If it means trying out a multi-effects to really see what kinds of sounds or modulations appeal to you, go for it. I've never tried a multi-effects, and I'm more than happy with my vox wah and TS9. I just found that I didn't really need the other effects.

That would simplfy things for me alot. yer not a delay or Edge kinda guy, huh?
 
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Interstate 70 said:
Monsieur Darkside.
Wow. That is some great info. Thanks for sharing those great tips. Dedicated power is a big deal then. cool.

How did they do that tape echo stuff? that boggles my mind? If I have thought about this right...does it work like this...the tape runs constantly at a slow speed, a speed that would correspond to the delay time that you wanted. Then delayed sound would appear from tape real that would insert the sound into the recording control board. Is that how it works?

I guess if a guy was smart enough, he could write a program so that a PC could function as the delay source and then he/she would not have to buy a delay pedal? Yep, that is beyond my ability. af course that would be a digital delay using a PC not an analogue.

Lots of answers
1.) You're more or less right about the tape, it's really a simple concept, just like how flange originated when they pressed the flange from the tape deck onto the tape while it was playing (or something like that).
2.)There are computer programs and plugins for computer software like Sonar that do awesome delays and echo.
3.)All lower priced delay pedals are digital. The only form of analog delay I know of is true TAPE delay, and a unit like that will cost you an arm and a leg.

What are the 3 most commonly used effects. OD, Wha and chorus? phaser, delay, fuzz? Flanger, chorus, wha?

It really depends on what amp you play. If it has a good OD channel or distortion channel to begin with, players will just use the footswitch for the amp. If it's vintage style and only has one channel, you will need a gain booster like an OD to get the kind of sustain and drive that you want.

If you ask me, the 3 top effects would be OD (or Distortion, they're two different things-distortion produces its own clipping tone color and adds it to the signal, and OD's are be a mix of compression, a touch of EQ to tighten up the bass and mids, and a bit of clipping depending on the pedal), effect two would be wah, effect 3 would be delay, or if the amp doesn't come with it-reverb.

Hope this straightens your course a bit. Phase is a pretty cool effect that makes your sound watery as it constantly shifts the phase of your signal 180 degrees. Chorus is nice, especially in conjunction with vibrato (dunlop roto-vibe is a 2 in one) but it could be the cheesier sounding of effects IMO. Flange is one of my favorites, and it sounds great in songs.
 
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Monsieur Quench...thanks for that cool run down.

perhaps I'll focus on wha and delay for now. no wait, wha and phaser,...no wait, wha and flanger...wha and chorus....oooo, I just can't decide. I may flip a coin 2 outta 3 and make the others wait for a while.
 
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Interstate 70 said:
How did they do that tape echo stuff? that boggles my mind? If I have thought about this right...does it work like this...the tape runs constantly at a slow speed, a speed that would correspond to the delay time that you wanted. Then delayed sound would appear from tape real that would insert the sound into the recording control board. Is that how it works?
It's basically a big unit with a tape loop inside. There's one record head and a few playback heads. By altering the speed of the tape, the location of the heads and the amount of feedback (output being fed back into the record head) you could get different delay times, lengths, repeats, etc. The thing that made them unique looking back is that magnetic tape is a very transient medium. After so many repeats it starts to degrade, loose some high-end, and any tape speed issues result in "warble". While this is very undesirable for Edge style repeats it sounds great for vintage rock.

As far as analog delay goes, the step between these tape echoes and digital delay as we know it was analog delay using Bucket Brigade Delay chips. Very expensive then, and even more-so now. True analog delay is rare these days so vintage units like the Boss DM-2 and DM-3 and some of the EHx stuff is in demand.

Go to www.musiciansfriend.com and check out sound samples of different pedals. You can see exactly what a Small Stone or Boss DD-5 sounds like to see which you want.
 
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Thanks for all the help today, guys. What great contribs I got from you all!

KEEP ON TRUCKIN'.

Don't drive while sleepy. Pull over and save your own life and others.
 
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I am bit surprised that no one chimed in in this thread with a comment like this: "no effects are necessary, if you have the chops." :)
 
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if you want seperate pedals (which i prefer) if you had wah-overdrive-distortion-delay-phaser-chorus youd have a good setup.

Jeremy, you'd put a delay before phaser and chorus? Trippy, man!


But, I only want the essential and necessary effects like Delay, Overdrive, phasers, and Chorus.

I don' think you need a phaser and chorus to begin with so I'd chop one of those out. You can get a Boss CE-2 on Ebay really cheap. They're fantastic!

Wow, Skarekrough, do you really recommend those mulit-effects things? That's cool.

I hope I'm not stepping on Skarekrough's toes in answering this, but I'd never advise anyone to get a multi-effects. I think building up a collection of stomp boxes is far more educational. You'll learn much quicker what each effect actually does to your sound, even if you have the worst pedals in the world. You can mess around with pedal order, silly settings on different boxes, etc. It's also much easier to upgrade as you can do the whole thing piece-by-piece without worrying about intergrating stomp boxes with multi-effects. Far more rewarding as well.

My biggest opposition to using Multi-effects as a means of learning about effects is that you don't really learn about effect at all. You just learn how to use that particualr Multi-effects unit.
 
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I like phaser (and Uni-vibe) before distortion. Sometimes I like to put the Flanger after Delay to get a huge wooshing sound. More of a sound effect than a musical tone to play riffs with.
 
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i reccomend some kind of aural enhancer. those are highly underated and can usually be picked up pretty cheap. i got my boss eh-2 for $25.
 
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shredder87 said:
i reccomend some kind of aural enhancer. those are highly underated and can usually be picked up pretty cheap. i got my boss eh-2 for $25.

what exactly does 'aural enhancer' mean?
 
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